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Originally posted by SQLSVT:
Originally posted by GTO Pete:
from what I can see, a poorly conducted test.
From what you can see how is what "ccwad" did considered a poorly conducted test? He applied two products on his DD truck, took pictures and reported on his feelings of the two products. Isn't that the exact same thing that you do when your comparing products? Is it simply because he is not "Waxguru" or "CorvetteWorld"? Or is it a "poorly conducted test" because you wish the results would have came out differently?  I am not saying that what ccwad did is the "end all, be all" test of two products, but I don't appreciate how you keep slamming products that I use and say that they are garbage when you have never even used them.
My long-term testing and those who know how to properly long-term test a product know the "guidelines" for conducting such tests. He did not follow them to allow for a true test.
Why would I "wish" one product is better than another? If I felt that my favorite product was the "best" and wanted to convince everyone of it, why would I bother spending so much money over the years testing so many products?
I have stated many times that a carnauba provides the best color, depth and gloss and Zaino provides the best shine and durability. I stated that for a garage kept, non-daily driver, a carnauba is the way to go. Not Zaino. You make accusations like I am here to promote and push Zaino on everyone. I haven't even used Zaino on all my vehicles over the years.
You're accusations question my integrity, are uncalled for and completely out of line. I have not made personal attacks of your character, I suggest you do the same for me.
Originally posted by SQLSVT:
I am not saying that what ccwad did is the "end all, be all" test of two products, but I don't appreciate how you keep slamming products that I use and say that they are garbage when you have never even used them.
Where have I "slammed" Mother's? Where have I said it's "garbage"? I have stated and will state here again that from my research that Mother's Reflections is currently the best OTC product. I have stated and will state again - your claims that it is as good or better than online products are unfounded. I have stated facts - Mother's is resin-based. The products you claim that Mother's is as good as/better than are for the most part polymer-based. If you know the difference between the two, you would not be making such claims.
I have personally contacted/spoken to Mother's, Zaino, The Wax Reports and others to ask questions, talk about and discuss waxes.
Originally posted by SQLSVT:
I am not saying that Reflections owns all when it comes to durability, but it is definitely no slouch. It seems that when judging a product you place an extremely heavy emphasis stricly on durability. And while I agree that durability is very important, there are other factors to consider such as ease of use, appearance, and value. I have found that for my needs, Reflections appearance wise is killer! Is EXTREMELY easy to use and is durable enough to suit me just fine for how much time and effort I want to put into detailing my car.
And I will state yet again, different people have different needs. What is "best" for one person is not necessarily the "best" for another. Color, climate, storage, paint condition, budget, wax frequency, etc. all come in to play. You're selective reading and selective responses are tiresome.
Originally posted by SQLSVT:
I have been finding myself trying out more and more online products during the past year, and I find that they are great!
And I have always encouraged CEGers to do so.
Originally posted by SQLSVT:
But there is also a need for a quality OTC product that appearance wise looks great!, is easy to use, is affordable, and that someone can easily get at their local auto parts store.
Why? If you have a quality product line in hand, what is the "need for a quality OTC product"? That makes no sense.
I have not/do not/will not hold against you or anyone else for using whatever product(s) they choose for their needs. I am not a fan AT ALL of NXT, yet I have recommended it to several people based on their needs/desires/budget/etc.
The point I have been trying to get across to you is that your claims are unfounded. When someone makes a claim, any logical person would expect some evidence of the claim, claimers background/experience, etc.
I'm "waxing off" vs Roger and have posted publicly that I don't expect to "win". I know carnauba's strengths and weaknesses. I know Zaino's strengths and weaknesses. I have no problem admitting Zaino's weaknesses and that another product is better is certain regards. But I do not make unfounded claims, I do my best to avoid making blanket statements, I try to avoid stating a certain line is the "best".
I offer this to you. I see you are attending SZ, so bring your Mother's line detail 1/2 of my hood with it. I'll detail the other half with Zaino. I will conduct a long term test of it and as I ALWAYS done, provide honest feedback on it.
I'm done trying to get my point across to someone with selective reading who chooses to stand by a handful of opinions read on the web and ignore legitimate third parties evidence presented to him. I would rather spend my time helping CEGers who want help and want to learn.
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Originally posted by GTO Pete:
I offer this to you. I see you are attending SZ, so bring your Mother's line detail 1/2 of my hood with it. I'll detail the other half with Zaino. I will conduct a long term test of it and as I ALWAYS done, provide honest feedback on it.
I'll take you up on your offer. How about though that we both detail 1/2 of the hood so that you can evaluate it's ease of use. Hopefully, we can come to understand our differenes and you can better understand where I was coming from in my points of view. I'm looking forward to meeting you at SZ 
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Originally posted by SQLSVT:
Originally posted by GTO Pete:
I offer this to you. I see you are attending SZ, so bring your Mother's line detail 1/2 of my hood with it. I'll detail the other half with Zaino. I will conduct a long term test of it and as I ALWAYS done, provide honest feedback on it.
I'll take you up on your offer. How about though that we both detail 1/2 of the hood so that you can evaluate it's ease of use. Hopefully, we can come to understand our differenes and you can better understand where I was coming from in my points of view. I'm looking forward to meeting you at SZ
Sounds like a plan.
I'm sure Mother's is a good product. Your claims of being as good is the "issue". 
Here is a quote from a Mother's rep:
One thing to keep in mind is that resins are softer than carnauba or polymers, so the finish won't feel as slick as the others, even though the protection is there.
Reflections is a first generation synthetic that's resin based. Zaino is a polymer that, in all honesty, is more durable. Don't expect it (Reflections) to last as long (as Zaino).
We'll figure out a time to apply and chat.
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I PM'd SQLSVT and suggested to him that he enter the wax off, representing the store bought products, all be it ones that have a pretty good rep  I even went as far to tell him that he could do half of the Fusion with it, what ever the process is and I'll do the other half with Griots Paint Sealant I don't mind spreading myself out for the compition, its not like its going to take that long when you think about it. If SQLSVT does accept this challenge, I'll clay the side of the car, apply NXT and top it with Griots Paint Sealant. Now we'd have a grand total of (4) halves to get updates on, real world guys, applying their products and then having the cars out in the real world 
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I hope this isn't getting carried away with the other combatants and if so, I've got an , here it is. A new TV show called.... "SHINES" It would be like "Pinks", but instead we'd spot the OTC products a couple coats and we'd only be able to use 1, kinda like NOS 
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Originally posted by Klasse Act:
I hope this isn't getting carried away with the other combatants and if so, I've got an , here it is. A new TV show called....
"SHINES"
It would be like "Pinks", but instead we'd spot the OTC products a couple coats and we'd only be able to use 1, kinda like NOS
HAHAHA!!! I was thinking the exact same thing, and I was almost going to write that but I don't really care for Pinks so I didn't want to downgrade our show "SHINES" by comparing it to "Pinks"
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Originally posted by SQLSVT:
I don't really care for Pinks so I didn't want to downgrade our show "SHINES" by comparing it to "Pinks"
Hijack on>
Should change the name of "Pinks" to "Whines"
Hijack off>
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