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I really don't want to stir up anything, but Iraq was claimed to have all those WMD's that they were endangering countries around them (and to prove it there were a bunch of satellite photos of here and there showing the bases and etc.) and now Iran has a Nuclear weapons program and are endangering the countries around them... ...while North Korea is known to have nuclear weapons but nothing really is being done about Just makes the story a bit less credible in my eyes... And all of you are all pissed off why they view as America in such a bad way... Because many many innocent people have died for no reason over there (not saying that there weren't any causualties of terrorist attacks in US) Stop pointing fingers at certain countries/religions and having this prejudice against them... Imagine yourself being in their shoes, losing your entire family due to US bombings how would you feel? Would you really like US? Over 33,000 people have died just in Iraq since the war began, just to find Saddam Hussein in a hole... makes you wonder... Quote:
terrorism
n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear [syn: act of terrorism, terrorist act]
Makes you think about how they feel about the actions of US
Flame away if you like, I'm not saying US is bad or good the bottom line is that the innocent are the only ones suffering
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Originally posted by 96BlackSE:
I really don't want to stir up anything, but Iraq was claimed to have all those WMD's that they were endangering countries around them (and to prove it there were a bunch of satellite photos of here and there showing the bases and etc.) and now Iran has a Nuclear weapons program and are endangering the countries around them...
...while North Korea is known to have nuclear weapons but nothing really is being done about
Just makes the story a bit less credible in my eyes...
i will explain the dprk issue simply for you. image is very important to some cultures, korean being among them. kim jong (mentally) il wants to be one of the major players on the block. he wants to be able to play a card that will make others fear and respect him, so he has a couple of nukes. now here is the important part. kim jong il does not want to die just to prove he is tough, unlike iran. kim jong il knows full good and well that the united states will personally guarrantee his death should he actually nuke anybody. a consequence he most assuredly does not wish to endure. to further expound upon the image thing i have a reading assignment for you, read "the two koreas."
iran has every intention of building a nuke and actually using it. that guy should be allowed to have a sharp stick much less nuclear capability. and just for those who want to play the hypocrite card on the US, we know from first hand expereince as the only country to have actually nuked another that doing so is most definately not good which is partly why we actively try to prevent countries who want to nuke others from doing so. there are other reasons but i don't feel like getting into it.
on the iraq wmd thing, since every time i have to explain this i feel like i am talking to the french (not a compliment) i will say nothing at all save for this: europe didn't think hitler was a threat either until he invaded poland.
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Originally posted by 96BlackSE:
Over 33,000 people have died just in Iraq since the war began, just to find Saddam Hussein in a hole... makes you wonder...
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n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear [syn: act of terrorism, terrorist act]
Makes you think about how they feel about the actions of US
Flame away if you like, I'm not saying US is bad or good the bottom line is that the innocent are the only ones suffering
Most of those people have died by their own hands. Life is not precious to many of them, not even their own.
North Korea is contained in their area with a major country like China who can kick their ass, Russia, and US Backed S. Korea and Japan. Korea is Cold War stuff and while it is contained in this way we can handle other fires. This is cold calculations, not passion driven. Anyway, as long as N. Korea stays put and only uses rhetoric, we shouldn't go invading them anyway right? If we did more you'd be the first to say we had no right....
As far as Iraq, many people are dying but it isn't for nothing. THere is a cause and I guarantee you that give a bit more time the Freedom that is taking over there will never be contained and even if we weren't there people who are used to spilling blood will be willing to spill a little more to insure their continued freedom. The situation is highly psychological and you have to give time for that to work. Wait until the youth that are now free, grow up to young adults. People never really knowing the Tyranny of Saddam an not willing to accept it get into positions of leadership. THEN you'll see the fruits of our labors. Right now the current adults/leaders have been through multiple wars and oppression. THey lived with it and can likely go back to living it just to get some peace. No hard to understand but we/they must work not for themselves but for their children to have a chance. You know freedom isn't free...not for people in the 'Real' world anyway, maybe for the far people on the radical Left it is.
Iran. They took our hostages in 79-80. They've been peddling Terrorism since the early 70s. They have been Anti US long before we bombed any place. NOT because of a bombing, but because our cultural influence and trade influence reach to every part of the globe. Trade changes people. It brings ideas. These ideas of the western culture will ALWAYS war with traditional Shia'ite and Sunni values. There is NO compromise when a Father of the old ways believes his daughter should wear all black and be demure and he finds she bought a pair of tight Levis and wants to go hang out Downtown.  This is the kind of conflict we are really facing. The television with Alcohol, Sex and Nudity, Divorce, all these things that they look at that are completely against their values are what drive the anger even deeper without any military action on our part.
So you and many other are greatly oversimplifying this. America isn't wrong or right, the situation is just evolving this way to put us at this historical crux. We just have to deal the cards we've been dealt.
If you don't want a fight, then you must be prepared to give up everything dear to you.
Give up your easy life, your hollywood movies with sex, drugs, unrestrained freedom, etc. Give up the way of life because that is what many people see you have and quite a few want to emulate. On the other hand that is also what many people don't want.
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Originally posted by 96BlackSE:
I really don't want to stir up anything, but Iraq was claimed to have all those WMD's that they were endangering countries around them (and to prove it there were a bunch of satellite photos of here and there showing the bases and etc.) and now Iran has a Nuclear weapons program and are endangering the countries around them...
...while North Korea is known to have nuclear weapons but nothing really is being done about
Just makes the story a bit less credible in my eyes...
And all of you are all pissed off why they view as America in such a bad way... Because many many innocent people have died for no reason over there (not saying that there weren't any causualties of terrorist attacks in US)
Stop pointing fingers at certain countries/religions and having this prejudice against them... Imagine yourself being in their shoes, losing your entire family due to US bombings how would you feel? Would you really like US?
Over 33,000 people have died just in Iraq since the war began, just to find Saddam Hussein in a hole... makes you wonder...
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terrorism
n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear [syn: act of terrorism, terrorist act]
Makes you think about how they feel about the actions of US
Flame away if you like, I'm not saying US is bad or good the bottom line is that the innocent are the only ones suffering
Yay, the typical Canadian response...
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Originally posted by warmonger:
America isn't wrong or right, the situation is just evolving this way to put us at this historical crux. We just have to deal the cards we've been dealt.
I generally agree with your post, but this statement overlooks the very real oversights of the Iraq campaign. America took the active decision to invade Iraq. A lot of good has happened there, but also a lot of bad, and the US is proving to be pretty weak on the "psychological" side. No one gains unless our failures are analyzed.
Re: Iran - Perhaps the most "unique" aspect of their current foreign policy is the professed desire to wipe another country of the face of the Earth. Another important difference is Hamas' willingness to sacrifice lives in the name of their religion. Not exactly a vote of confidence for the "peaceful" nature of their nuclear program.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Not exactly a vote of confidence for the "peaceful" nature of their nuclear program.
or religon.
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If Iran's version of "harm and pain" means cutting off the fraction of the oil they provide to us, I say bring it on. We'll still have enough diesel to power our fleet of Waaambulances.
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Radical-Islam has mutated into a religion of intolerance and hatred. It's all about power and control. They have perfected the art of brainwashing children into living weapons. Smash, destroy, terrorize, kill - all with the blessing of the Radical-Islam Allah (although I can think of another name for such a deity). They are abusing the incredibly rich cultural heritage and beauty of Islam. It�s a 15�Th century way of viewing the world that works very well indeed for them.
Why don�t the Arab people recoil in horror from what is growing in their midst? History has shown us the brutality and inevitable destruction that results from such a philosophy.
But NEVER EVER has a group so hell bent on destroying the world had access to tools that could literally destroy the world.
Iran has the technological base, huge oil wealth, and a totalitarian government run by religious theocracy that could make all this come true, even likely.
Right now the Iranian government is recruiting suicide bombers to fight against its "enemies" (can't guess who? - one hint is that your grandmother is included). They advertise in the newspapers and sponsor training camps where volunteers can learn the art of strapping on high explosives and looking inconspicuous and harmless until enough unsuspecting victims are near.
This is a real program sponsored by the highest levels of the Iranian theocratic government. So far, according to various reports, they have enrolled up to 59,000 volunteers primarely between the ages of 14 to 30 of which several thousand have completed training. The official Iranian government numbers are somewhat lower.
Dont believe it? Look through these links - one of them even has an english translation of the recruiting notice. Very business like. Only Iranian citizens need apply.
Iranian government sponsored suicide column
Iranian Suicide squads
Iranian suicide bombers2
You want these f%#@*ers armed with nuclear weapons?!?
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by 96BlackSE:
I really don't want to stir up anything, but Iraq was claimed to have all those WMD's that they were endangering countries around them (and to prove it there were a bunch of satellite photos of here and there showing the bases and etc.) and now Iran has a Nuclear weapons program and are endangering the countries around them...
...while North Korea is known to have nuclear weapons but nothing really is being done about
Just makes the story a bit less credible in my eyes...
And all of you are all pissed off why they view as America in such a bad way... Because many many innocent people have died for no reason over there (not saying that there weren't any causualties of terrorist attacks in US)
Stop pointing fingers at certain countries/religions and having this prejudice against them... Imagine yourself being in their shoes, losing your entire family due to US bombings how would you feel? Would you really like US?
Over 33,000 people have died just in Iraq since the war began, just to find Saddam Hussein in a hole... makes you wonder...
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terrorism
n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear [syn: act of terrorism, terrorist act]
Makes you think about how they feel about the actions of US
Flame away if you like, I'm not saying US is bad or good the bottom line is that the innocent are the only ones suffering
Yay, the typical Canadian response...
God i Hate canadians.
All they ever talk about is poutin and how the US is bad.
What a bunch of Pansies! 
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Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by 96BlackSE:
I really don't want to stir up anything, but Iraq was claimed to have all those WMD's that they were endangering countries around them (and to prove it there were a bunch of satellite photos of here and there showing the bases and etc.) and now Iran has a Nuclear weapons program and are endangering the countries around them...
...while North Korea is known to have nuclear weapons but nothing really is being done about
Just makes the story a bit less credible in my eyes...
And all of you are all pissed off why they view as America in such a bad way... Because many many innocent people have died for no reason over there (not saying that there weren't any causualties of terrorist attacks in US)
Stop pointing fingers at certain countries/religions and having this prejudice against them... Imagine yourself being in their shoes, losing your entire family due to US bombings how would you feel? Would you really like US?
Over 33,000 people have died just in Iraq since the war began, just to find Saddam Hussein in a hole... makes you wonder...
Quote:
terrorism
n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear [syn: act of terrorism, terrorist act]
Makes you think about how they feel about the actions of US
Flame away if you like, I'm not saying US is bad or good the bottom line is that the innocent are the only ones suffering
Yay, the typical Canadian response...
God i Hate canadians.
All they ever talk about is poutin and how the US is bad.
What a bunch of Pansies!
What Canadians don't realize and/or admit is that they are who they are because of the United States.
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