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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by SteedaSVTâ??¢:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by SteedaSVTâ??¢:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
Originally posted by excel4600c:
when the army and marines need air support. Who do they call the Air force. (Bring on the A-10)  
Orrr... they call their own F-18s, Harriers (if they decide to work properly that day), Prowlers, C-130s, Cobras, Super Stallions, Hueys, and Sea Knights. But hey who's to define what "air support" is?
The Air Force does it's job, which is well executed, planned air attacks. From a distance. Marine Air is in the thick of it, communicating directly with Marine ground forces. And NOT waiting two hours for a CO's approval of the CO's approval.
And it's Marines, not marines. You may get away with that crap with the army, but have some respect.
Exactly. Marine Corps / Navy CAS > Air Force CAS.
And Jeb, you are right, but only the infantry can hold ground. You can critically wound with air power, but you can't win with it.
Really wanna argue that?
B-2 16 nukes?!? anyone wanna be in the area when they drop them? Probably no. see USAF 1 Plane hell just drop 8 of them on say Iraq, Wars over and im at home sipping my tea.
To achieve the same thing they would have to send every Army person over there for years.
Seriously We need to nuke someone else... Look at the japanese they seem to be doing fine now.
STFU about the B-2. We get it, you work on it and love the plane. Its been proven and stated time and time again, you can NOT win wars without troops on the ground. PERIOD. Air power is a great weapon and tool to devastate the enemy with, but boots on ground hold the land. The situation with Japan and nukes was a different situation. We were winning with them and would have continued to win. The nuke broke their back in more ways than one, but would not have accomplished that without the ground troops through out the Pacific theater.
YOu STFU, don't be mad at me becuase you couldn't score high enough on the ASVAB to get in the Air Force 
Yeah, thats the reason I choose to enlist into the most respected branch of military service in the world. As much as I love aircraft, you don't hear too many stories about your 59 year old service. :shrug:
As for my ASVAB score....puhlease. I didn't get into my MOS field because I'm a retard....
If I wanted an easy life in the military service, yes I would have went into the Air Force. However, I wanted something more challenging mentally and physically, in addition I wanted the chance to kill someone.
Settle fruitypants it was a joke
Let me know when the Marines have Stealth Equipment Maybe ill join them
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The Marines do have stealth equipment.
I've only been through Marine Corps bootcamp, but I find it quite humorous that anyone would suggest another branch of the US Military has a tougher initial training regimen than the programs General P.X. Kelly began. When other services were 'softening' boot camp, he added more stringent testing, tougher standards and the 'Crucible.' I missed all that; but I know Mt. Mother F&%$#r, B*%@h Ridge and a whole bunch of hard as nails DI's who still give me nightmares! It was ITS when I went, not SOI. And, if you happend to get 'knocked' around by a DI, that was just part of the training. Good, bad or indifferent. Phone calls? I got 3; after arriving, Christmas and a week before graduation. No one gave me a ribbon for throwing a grenade either, LMAO!
As for killing someone, I'll put my shooting skills up against anyone here. (Is there a range (100+ yards) near Fort Wayne?)
Uhh Rahhhhhhhh!
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Originally posted by SteedaSVTâ??¢:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by SteedaSVTâ??¢:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by SteedaSVTâ??¢:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
Originally posted by excel4600c:
when the army and marines need air support. Who do they call the Air force. (Bring on the A-10)
Orrr... they call their own F-18s, Harriers (if they decide to work properly that day), Prowlers, C-130s, Cobras, Super Stallions, Hueys, and Sea Knights. But hey who's to define what "air support" is?
The Air Force does it's job, which is well executed, planned air attacks. From a distance. Marine Air is in the thick of it, communicating directly with Marine ground forces. And NOT waiting two hours for a CO's approval of the CO's approval.
And it's Marines, not marines. You may get away with that crap with the army, but have some respect.
Exactly. Marine Corps / Navy CAS > Air Force CAS.
And Jeb, you are right, but only the infantry can hold ground. You can critically wound with air power, but you can't win with it.
Really wanna argue that?
B-2 16 nukes?!? anyone wanna be in the area when they drop them? Probably no. see USAF 1 Plane hell just drop 8 of them on say Iraq, Wars over and im at home sipping my tea.
To achieve the same thing they would have to send every Army person over there for years.
Seriously We need to nuke someone else... Look at the japanese they seem to be doing fine now.
STFU about the B-2. We get it, you work on it and love the plane. Its been proven and stated time and time again, you can NOT win wars without troops on the ground. PERIOD. Air power is a great weapon and tool to devastate the enemy with, but boots on ground hold the land. The situation with Japan and nukes was a different situation. We were winning with them and would have continued to win. The nuke broke their back in more ways than one, but would not have accomplished that without the ground troops through out the Pacific theater.
YOu STFU, don't be mad at me becuase you couldn't score high enough on the ASVAB to get in the Air Force
Yeah, thats the reason I choose to enlist into the most respected branch of military service in the world. As much as I love aircraft, you don't hear too many stories about your 59 year old service. :shrug:
As for my ASVAB score....puhlease. I didn't get into my MOS field because I'm a retard....
If I wanted an easy life in the military service, yes I would have went into the Air Force. However, I wanted something more challenging mentally and physically, in addition I wanted the chance to kill someone.
Settle fruitypants it was a joke
Let me know when the Marines have Stealth Equipment Maybe ill join them
stealths for pussies.
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I read the article the whole time thinking "[censored] bastards, peices of [censored], get your god damn act together, what the [censored] is this, this is bull [censored]"..... i was infantry... but after reading and thinking for a few minutes i think this. Combat training needs to remain harsh as hell, kill you, fact is in a combat unit you have a much greater chance of dying then in a non combat unit.... My girlfriend just joined the army, she is a soldier now and im damn proud of her. when she goes to training this will be good for her, she is going to be in supply and they are going to take the time to teach her rather then belittling her then turning away if she breaks...
When her recruiter and I were speaking her recruiter said they got the ACU's now. i said "what about polishing the boots, thats a standard and they need to do that, it teaches diciplin" an officer was also involved in this conversation and said basicly
(short version) would you rather her have shiny boots and die or have dull boots, defuse the situation and live
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Originally posted by in the shop:
When her recruiter and I were speaking her recruiter said they got the ACU's now. i said "what about polishing the boots, thats a standard and they need to do that, it teaches diciplin" an officer was also involved in this conversation and said basicly
(short version) would you rather her have shiny boots and die or have dull boots, defuse the situation and live
That's what I'm talkin about!
I hate shining my boots. I'm gonna be the first one in line when they approve the new AF uniform with no-shine boots.
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Two things: Originally posted by RTStabler51:
However, I wanted something more challenging mentally and physically, in addition I wanted the chance to kill someone.
First off...Oooh Rah!
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by SteedaSVTâ??¢:
Settle fruitypants it was a joke
Let me know when the Marines have Stealth Equipment Maybe ill join them
stealths for pussies.
Second off...I'll let you know when the Marines will have stealth. Never. The Marines are the elite because they take the equipment and supply leftovers and hand me downs from the other Branches, specialize them to their needs, and do more with them than the other branches ever could, generally speaking. That is why they are the Marines and that's what seperates them from you fellas. While your Air Force politicians are bargaining to fund the latest JSF and making nifty powerpoints, the Marines are retooling within their means for the F/A-18 to stay in service for another 20 years.
There's always exceptions to this, such as the resourcefulness of the SpecOps community, but typically, once you go SpecOps, you're more a SOC member, and not quite as much a member of your branch. Of course, now that Marines have a SOCCOM branch, I don't see them just swallowing their pride and forgeting where they came from. Now the Marines esprit and the funding that will come from SOCCOM, that should make for some damn good times in that community.
Fact is, the difference lies in the mentality. Air Force guys want the latest and greatest. They don't care that they might have 30 different types of aircraft for 10 different mission statements. They've got the best we can offer, whether it's needed or not. The Marines take what they're given, make it their own, and utilize the crap out of it. Until it just can't be any more efficient. And then they use it some more. To me, that's one of many things that attracts me to the Marine Corps moreso than a branch like the Air Force.
And I found this to be interesting...
Originally posted by excel4600c:
the hole world cant be smart we need dumb ppl to even it out.
1. hole world
2. there not made
3. And whos cares
4. when the army and marines need air support. Who do they call the Air force.
Seems you should start looking at the army. 26 was the new standard, right?
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Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
Second off...I'll let you know when the Marines will have stealth. Never. The Marines are the elite because they take the equipment and supply leftovers and hand me downs from the other Branches, specialize them to their needs, and do more with them than the other branches ever could, generally speaking. That is why they are the Marines and that's what seperates them from you fellas. While your Air Force politicians are bargaining to fund the latest JSF and making nifty powerpoints, the Marines are retooling within their means for the F/A-18 to stay in service for another 20 years.
There's always exceptions to this, such as the resourcefulness of the SpecOps community, but typically, once you go SpecOps, you're more a SOC member, and not quite as much a member of your branch. Of course, now that Marines have a SOCCOM branch, I don't see them just swallowing their pride and forgeting where they came from. Now the Marines esprit and the funding that will come from SOCCOM, that should make for some damn good times in that community.
Fact is, the difference lies in the mentality. Air Force guys want the latest and greatest. They don't care that they might have 30 different types of aircraft for 10 different mission statements. They've got the best we can offer, whether it's needed or not. The Marines take what they're given, make it their own, and utilize the crap out of it. Until it just can't be any more efficient. And then they use it some more. To me, that's one of many things that attracts me to the Marine Corps moreso than a branch like the Air Force.
How you explained it, sounds like my job... I'm not in a traditional "military" specialty. When we go deploy, we have to work with what is left over from years ago... The stuff we have to go maintain has been lying there for 15 years... We just have to deal with it since whoever has the say says it's all just "temporary" 
I see you may end up as an officer... some food for thought... don't get in there all high and mighty that you outrank all enlisted people, so you must be smarter than them. IMO, a good leader also can follow when it's appropriate... and sometimes you may be "following" a low ranking enlisted person because he's "been there, done that."
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This was a fairly decent thread, what it has to do with CEG...??? But I'd like to get my 2 cents in. I'm an old fart, I Enlisted in the Marine Corps in 73 and retired in 99. I now am a Government contractor. I travel in and out of the different branches of the armed forces and have made these observations. The Air force is like a well oiled Union. â??Thatâ??s not my jobâ? Should be their Motto. A lot of good it does you to have an ASVAB that is through the roof if you can only do one thing. The Army is so big it is like herding cats. There doesnâ??t seem to be unit cohesion or pride. I walk into a unit and there has to be at least 10 variants of the Uniform of the day, and nobody cares. The Navy is an animal all itâ??s self. Get on a boat (ship), get 50 miles off shore and all bet are off. But I will say this, sound GQ flight deck or otherwise and those boys know what they are doing. Now my beloved Marine Corps. The Marine Corps is a fully self sustained fighting force. The Mission of the Marine Corps is to take and hold advanced enemy position for 30 days.
The Marine Corps has its own Air Force which includes winged and rotor transport, itâ??s
Own bomber wing F/A, and its own close air support, both rotor and fixed wing. And
The techâ??s are not limited to a particular Air Craft or job. They just fix it. The Marines have their own support groups, which include heavy artillery, and tracked vehicles. Lastly and more importantly every Marine is a rifleman first and foremost no matter if your re-con or supply, the L/Cpl or the CG. Every year Marines qualify with their weapon. Every Marine goes to the field to study small unit tactics, like to see an Air Force box kicker do that. All kidding aside all of our guys are doing a hell of a job in this situation our country is in. God Bless them all.
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Originally posted by morepower:
The Air force is like a well oiled Union. â??Thatâ??s not my jobâ? Should be their Motto. A lot of good it does you to have an ASVAB that is through the roof if you can only do one thing.
No s**t!!!
I didn't see it too bad until I got to this base, what a bunch of lazy f**ks!
For example, think of an interior electric crew... they'll go to a job (we have a gazillion to do, btw) and say there's a light out on the outside of the building. They will do no work and transfer it to exterior and have them go out and fix it instead of getting a ladder and doing it themselves.
Exterior does the same thing, say the same exterior light is out, so they replace the bulb/ballast, but it still doesn't work... They'll transfer it back to interior and say their part is done.
To top it off, we all have the same training!
I got deployed with the Army, and lemme tell ya, they don't care how something gets done (or who does it, at that) as long as it's done.
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