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Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
Originally posted by excel4600c:
when the army and marines need air support. Who do they call the Air force. (Bring on the A-10)  
Orrr... they call their own F-18s, Harriers (if they decide to work properly that day), Prowlers, C-130s, Cobras, Super Stallions, Hueys, and Sea Knights. But hey who's to define what "air support" is?
The Air Force does it's job, which is well executed, planned air attacks. From a distance. Marine Air is in the thick of it, communicating directly with Marine ground forces. And NOT waiting two hours for a CO's approval of the CO's approval.
And it's Marines, not marines. You may get away with that crap with the army, but have some respect.
Exactly. Marine Corps / Navy CAS > Air Force CAS.
And Jeb, you are right, but only the infantry can hold ground. You can critically wound with air power, but you can't win with it.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
Originally posted by excel4600c:
when the army and marines need air support. Who do they call the Air force. (Bring on the A-10)
Orrr... they call their own F-18s, Harriers (if they decide to work properly that day), Prowlers, C-130s, Cobras, Super Stallions, Hueys, and Sea Knights. But hey who's to define what "air support" is?
The Air Force does it's job, which is well executed, planned air attacks. From a distance. Marine Air is in the thick of it, communicating directly with Marine ground forces. And NOT waiting two hours for a CO's approval of the CO's approval.
And it's Marines, not marines. You may get away with that crap with the army, but have some respect.
Exactly. Marine Corps / Navy CAS > Air Force CAS.
And Jeb, you are right, but only the infantry can hold ground. You can critically wound with air power, but you can't win with it.
Case in point: Iwo Jima.
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The f-18 and harriers are fighters there not made for close air support like the A-10. And whos cares what branch ur in we all have a job to do and we all do it well. 
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Originally posted by excel4600c:
The f-18 and harriers are fighters there not made for close air support like the A-10. And whos cares what branch ur in we all have a job to do and we all do it well.
Genius, the F/A-18 was the first dual role designated aircraft in the inventory. Additionally, the Harrier's main job is CAS. The A-10's main purpose in life is to kill tanks, although CAS is a another huge part of its function.
AV-8's role:
* Conduct close air support using conventional and specific weapons.
* Conduct deep air support, to include armed reconnaissance and air interdiction, using conventional and specific weapons.
* Conduct offensive and defensive antiair warfare. This includes combat air patrol, armed escort missions, and offensive missions against enemy ground-to-air defenses, all within the capabilities of the aircraft.
* Be able to operate and deliver ordnance at night and to operate under instrument flight conditions.
* Be able to deploy for extended operations employing aerial refueling.
* Be able to deploy to and operate from carriers and other suitable seagoing platforms, advanced bases, expeditionary airfields, and remote tactical landing sites.
Read about the F/A-18 here
Read about the A-10 here
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
Originally posted by excel4600c:
when the army and marines need air support. Who do they call the Air force. (Bring on the A-10)
Orrr... they call their own F-18s, Harriers (if they decide to work properly that day), Prowlers, C-130s, Cobras, Super Stallions, Hueys, and Sea Knights. But hey who's to define what "air support" is?
The Air Force does it's job, which is well executed, planned air attacks. From a distance. Marine Air is in the thick of it, communicating directly with Marine ground forces. And NOT waiting two hours for a CO's approval of the CO's approval.
And it's Marines, not marines. You may get away with that crap with the army, but have some respect.
Exactly. Marine Corps / Navy CAS > Air Force CAS.
That's because the Air Force's job is to gain and retain air superiority (and even that's changed much with carrier projection), not CAS. I don't know what the other poster was talking about. Yeah, they have the A-10, and it's a great aircraft, but it's limited in capability (it does pretty much one thing -- killing tanks -- really, really well) and numbers. The Navy and Marines have provided virtually all of their own close air support since WW2.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
Originally posted by excel4600c:
when the army and marines need air support. Who do they call the Air force. (Bring on the A-10)
Orrr... they call their own F-18s, Harriers (if they decide to work properly that day), Prowlers, C-130s, Cobras, Super Stallions, Hueys, and Sea Knights. But hey who's to define what "air support" is?
The Air Force does it's job, which is well executed, planned air attacks. From a distance. Marine Air is in the thick of it, communicating directly with Marine ground forces. And NOT waiting two hours for a CO's approval of the CO's approval.
And it's Marines, not marines. You may get away with that crap with the army, but have some respect.
Exactly. Marine Corps / Navy CAS > Air Force CAS.
And Jeb, you are right, but only the infantry can hold ground. You can critically wound with air power, but you can't win with it.
Really wanna argue that?
B-2 16 nukes?!? anyone wanna be in the area when they drop them? Probably no. see USAF 1 Plane hell just drop 8 of them on say Iraq, Wars over and im at home sipping my tea.
To achieve the same thing they would have to send every Army person over there for years.
Seriously We need to nuke someone else... Look at the japanese they seem to be doing fine now.
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Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
Originally posted by excel4600c:
when the army and marines need air support. Who do they call the Air force. (Bring on the A-10)
Orrr... they call their own F-18s, Harriers (if they decide to work properly that day), Prowlers, C-130s, Cobras, Super Stallions, Hueys, and Sea Knights. But hey who's to define what "air support" is?
The Air Force does it's job, which is well executed, planned air attacks. From a distance. Marine Air is in the thick of it, communicating directly with Marine ground forces. And NOT waiting two hours for a CO's approval of the CO's approval.
And it's Marines, not marines. You may get away with that crap with the army, but have some respect.
Exactly. Marine Corps / Navy CAS > Air Force CAS.
And Jeb, you are right, but only the infantry can hold ground. You can critically wound with air power, but you can't win with it.
Really wanna argue that?
B-2 16 nukes?!? anyone wanna be in the area when they drop them? Probably no. see USAF 1 Plane hell just drop 8 of them on say Iraq, Wars over and im at home sipping my tea.
To achieve the same thing they would have to send every Army person over there for years.
That's great, if all you want to do is make the land uninhabitable for a few centuries. And that's not much of a win. If you want to hold ground, though, it takes boots.
I still say, though, that heavy bombers now can perform close air support with precision-guided munitions. They've essentially taken the place of artillery in Afghanistan.
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Close Air Support and Power Projection, or even simple conventional carpet-bombing are entirely different things.
Obviously, dropping 16 nukes or carpet-bombing an entire city isn't something you would want to do close to your troops. And, while conventional bombs dropped from a B52 can be incredibly precise if needed, it's still not generally considered CAS simply because they're not very reactive. They have a mission that's been planned for weeks, and they take off and set up their flight plan literally the day before. CAS is reactionary and constantly evolving; an aircraft is assinged more to a particular group of soldiers to use as needed rather than having a directed mission to destroy X and Y and Z and then leave.
That's not making a claim that one is better than the other. They're just different roles with unique aircraft (and services) that can acheive them best.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Close Air Support and Power Projection, or even simple conventional carpet-bombing are entirely different things.
Obviously, dropping 16 nukes or carpet-bombing an entire city isn't something you would want to do close to your troops.
ya i know thats why you do it before they are ever there.
Like right now, Nuke Iran then next year we dno't have to worry about them.
Who cares what happens to the land. Are you gonna live there? And seriously all this talk about land unliveable, Can't be any worse than Detroit
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