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Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
but yet that still is less gay than being a Marine...
Hey ill let you know when i need someone to Catch a bullet for me so i can Work on the 2.2billion dollar aircraft.
Uh huh.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
but yet that still is less gay than being a Marine...
Hey ill let you know when i need someone to Catch a bullet for me so i can Work on the 2.2billion dollar aircraft.
Uh huh.
LOL Just messin Ryan... 
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First off, I don't think anyone joins the Marines thinking "Hey, if the Army has eased up on recruits, maybe the Marines have too."
Second...and this is just the liquor talking, but I sort of found myself thinking "Hey, it's just Basic...it's the specialist schools where the serious knife-sharpening happens", although I'm not sure that's entirely so. However, I *do* think it's valid that the historic model for Army indoctrination isn't going to work forever.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Maybe the whole "break em down and build em back up" mentality is not working with todays youth.
It didn't work for me back in '93 and todays youth are a bit more savvy than 13yrs ago.......
Maybe that's because the Army does it half-assed.
Sorry RT but my DI's did it right and I can almost gurantee my Basic & AIT was more difficult than yours in the Marines.
Why? All of my DI's were the exact same MOS as us, we did not leave our Basic building for AIT like most do, we stayed put had had the exact same DI's for AIT.
RT, the breaking down did not work for me, but I know it worked for my peers. Too bad my peers were as dumb as a box of rocks or they too would have figured out the game and just played along 
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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Maybe the whole "break em down and build em back up" mentality is not working with todays youth.
It didn't work for me back in '93 and todays youth are a bit more savvy than 13yrs ago.......
Maybe that's because the Army does it half-assed.
Sorry RT but my DI's did it right and I can almost gurantee my Basic & AIT was more difficult than yours in the Marines.
Why? All of my DI's were the exact same MOS as us, we did not leave our Basic building for AIT like most do, we stayed put had had the exact same DI's for AIT.
RT, the breaking down did not work for me, but I know it worked for my peers. Too bad my peers were as dumb as a box of rocks or they too would have figured out the game and just played along
You hit the nail on the head at the end of your statement. It is a game, and the mentality astute ones figure it out and how to play along. The dumber ones take it personally and don't know how to figure it out. Being softer on recruits is going to do nothing except give a weaker person in the end. You might get better results up front, but it does nothing for when the [censored] hits the fan. If they can't handle the stresses of boot camp, how can they be expected to handle the stresses of combat? I sure as hell wouldn't want them next to me in a fox hole.
As for you claim's of boot camp being harder...well, I highly doubt that. HOwever, being an Intel weenie, you might be right on your secondary being tougher.....ain't my fault I'm a smare one :-P
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The breakdown HAS to happen though. Whether you're aware of it or not, you need to become aware that you are no longer a self. You are a gear in the machine that is the military, and you need to especially lose sense of self if you're going to be infantry. I'm not sure of your story Fmr. I don't think the problem is with today's youth, I think the problem is that we are in a time of war and we are exhausting our resources. Unfortunately, it seems that instead of those that usually should be weeded out in Basic for lacking the moral/physical/mental standards we are meeting that lack of resources by just lowering those standards. They are doing that by coddling the fresh recruits. This isn't too say all new recruits are a disgrace, but this new process is definitely going to allow quite a few of those types that should have been attrited, through. I don't believe that the Army basic or any military basic should be adapted to a developing society's standards. War is and always has been the same beast. True, today's war is developing and turning into a different type of animal, but that does not by any means that it's become easier or requires a lesser soldier. And to me, that's what this move is saying.
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Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
today's war is developing and turning into a different type of animal, but that does not by any means that it's become easier or requires a lesser soldier. And to me, that's what this move is saying.
The move is saying that, but that's just a byproduct of the real reason they're making the change... desperation for more soldiers.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
today's war is developing and turning into a different type of animal, but that does not by any means that it's become easier or requires a lesser soldier. And to me, that's what this move is saying.
The move is saying that, but that's just a byproduct of the real reason they're making the change... desperation for more soldiers.
The Army has been lowering its standards for a few years. IIRC, previously they dropped the requirement for even a GED to become enlisted....
The NG's recruitment drop off is because they are actually being used and the majority of the 'new recruits' over the last decade or so went in solely for the college money associated with doing basically nothing. Now, they see that there can be service required and they don't want to do it.
In my expereince, there are way too many reservist in for the wrong reasons. Most of the ones I spoke with said they didn't think they would have to go anywhere and came in for the college money.....
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If they can't handle the stresses of boot camp, how can they be expected to handle the stresses of combat? I sure as hell wouldn't want them next to me in a fox hole.
I agree.
No, I didn't enlist. I wish I had been able to. Health won't let me. And it sucks.
The DI's should be doing their damndest to scare the [censored] out of the weaker recruits and showing the leaders how to do it right. The breakdown is needed for a few of the weaker recruits to get their arrogance out of them.
Today's youth being smarter? Book smart, maybe. Individualist, definitely. A fit for military? No way. These are the kids that need their asses whupped into shape and to show them that it's not the easy world any more. Nothing is going to be handed to you gently, and nobody is really all that worried about their "sensitive feelings."
They're breeding soldiers ready for a video game war by doing this, NOT the real thing.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
Thats alot of words and i didn't read it.. But i have this to say
The ARMY is GHEY!!!!!!!
......but not quite as gay as the Chair Farce...
Damn, I had tried to post, but I guess I navigated away from the preview page 
Anyway, reading the post, it sounds like Army basic is easier than the 6 week AF basic I took about 2 years ago.
...and they just made the AF basic tougher. It's now 9 weeks, matching the Army's length.
And yes, I know that there is additional AIT training... but there is also tech school training in the AF. I went to the 6 weeks of basic immediately to 7.5 months of tech school.
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