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Originally posted by ODC:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
I disagree that they could not be evaded. With the technology we have with missile and air power, you bomb the ever living [censored] out of them for months. Crush their infrastructure, their combat troops, etc, then you invade. It would be a tough fight still but doable. Wars aren't fought like their used to be, more so since stealth technology ahs come of age.
Yes, that really worked in Vietnam.
The US can send every missle they have and kill one chinaman each and they'll still be outnumbered. 70% of the country is already living in the stoneage so there's no infrastructure to destroy.
You really are as dumb as I think you are. Vietnam was a guerilla war almost unwinable from the get go because of poor morale and the fact that we were trying to sustain a corrupt and disinterested government. you'll find that throughout history that wars are won and lost on the territory of the loser and lost from within, not because of the outside force. Rome was never conquered from without, it was pushed over from without. Germany was never conquered from without, it was in a boxing match and let itself fall apart, twice!
We could deploy half of the NON nuclear major ordinance we have and turn china into the fat kid whose too weak to do anything on the playground, then watch him get beat up by all of the other kids, the only thing that would prevent that is the will of the people, Which sorry to say has always been half that under communism, dictatorships, and generally [censored] leadership that it is under a free society.
Saddam got his ass whooped in a matter of days with something like the 8th largest standing army on the face of the earth vs our 15th or so, then again they didnt want to fight for him. 99% of insurgents dont even fight for him, they fight to get whiteboys off of the sandy part of the map.
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Originally posted by SquareHead:
I wish the UN would step up it's efforts to help the poeple in the Sudan area.
Why, its easier and more profitable to oversee genocide, clearly.
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Why, its easier and more profitable to oversee genocide, clearly.
I think that's the wrong approach to take. The World Powers watched Hitler and the Nazi's take that stance 60 years ago. Why re-live history? It was wrong then as it is now.
Our politicians need to held accountable.
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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
You really are as dumb as I think you are. Vietnam was a guerilla war almost unwinable from the get go because of poor morale and the fact that we were trying to sustain a corrupt and disinterested government. you'll find that throughout history that wars are won and lost on the territory of the loser and lost from within, not because of the outside force. Rome was never conquered from without, it was pushed over from without. Germany was never conquered from without, it was in a boxing match and let itself fall apart, twice!
We could deploy half of the NON nuclear major ordinance we have and turn china into the fat kid whose too weak to do anything on the playground, then watch him get beat up by all of the other kids, the only thing that would prevent that is the will of the people, Which sorry to say has always been half that under communism, dictatorships, and generally [censored] leadership that it is under a free society.
Saddam got his ass whooped in a matter of days with something like the 8th largest standing army on the face of the earth vs our 15th or so, then again they didnt want to fight for him. 99% of insurgents dont even fight for him, they fight to get whiteboys off of the sandy part of the map.
Saddamn and Iraq was nothing. Are you really making the comparison between Iraq and the PRC ?
Speaking of the 'will' of the people, at current time that is roughly half a billion chinese ready and willing to die for their country. Comparing Iraq nonetheless is lunacy, Iraq doesn't have anywhere near the manufacturing capacity that China does. Do you realize how many firearms are manufactured in China today ?
Anyway, keep disillusioning yourself -- Jane's pretty much comes to the same conclusion. The US can "win" a war on Chinese soil but it'll have to accept strict conscription and a few million american soldiers dead. And after you've "won" the war, you're going to have to deal with the remaining Chinese and guerilla warfare. Unless we're talking genocide here ...
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Originally posted by ODC:
Originally posted by Speed Demon:
You really are as dumb as I think you are. Vietnam was a guerilla war almost unwinable from the get go because of poor morale and the fact that we were trying to sustain a corrupt and disinterested government. you'll find that throughout history that wars are won and lost on the territory of the loser and lost from within, not because of the outside force. Rome was never conquered from without, it was pushed over from without. Germany was never conquered from without, it was in a boxing match and let itself fall apart, twice!
We could deploy half of the NON nuclear major ordinance we have and turn china into the fat kid whose too weak to do anything on the playground, then watch him get beat up by all of the other kids, the only thing that would prevent that is the will of the people, Which sorry to say has always been half that under communism, dictatorships, and generally [censored] leadership that it is under a free society.
Saddam got his ass whooped in a matter of days with something like the 8th largest standing army on the face of the earth vs our 15th or so, then again they didnt want to fight for him. 99% of insurgents dont even fight for him, they fight to get whiteboys off of the sandy part of the map.
Saddamn and Iraq was nothing. Are you really making the comparison between Iraq and the PRC ?
Speaking of the 'will' of the people, at current time that is roughly half a billion chinese ready and willing to die for their country. Comparing Iraq nonetheless is lunacy, Iraq doesn't have anywhere near the manufacturing capacity that China does. Do you realize how many firearms are manufactured in China today ?
I'll pass on the disillution, nice try. As for the will of the people, when was the last time you saw china pick a fight like they meant it. Korea? Communism was new then, and it worked (It takes time to fall apart, lil' history lesson for ya). Now they're dumping communist ideals as fast as they can in an attempt to make US Dollars and keep the will of the people in ok shape. Assessing the fortitude of their troops is a guessing game at best although my money would err on the side of retreat if not all out revolution with 30-40% casualties. A military that big, also keep in mind, is a dog mighty dangerous to let off its leash, even for the owner. The Iraq comparison is to the testicular fortitude of the fighting force.
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if they are, we're screwed. I don't think there's any way we could possibly win a war against them without using nukes, and even then it's a gamble.
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I agree. All they have to do is get everyone in their country to pee at the same time and we're all in for it.
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Originally posted by infuryum:
I agree. All they have to do is get everyone in their country to pee at the same time and we're all in for it.
Now that's a plan with promise! 
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could we kick the crap out of china? under the right circumstances, yes. we would have to be prepared for a loooooooooooonnnnnnnnnng hard war though. thing is, we don't want to do that any more than they do despite what they are saying. they may be the biggest boy on the block but we are the toughest most capable boy on said block.
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There are far too many obsticles for China to invade the West Coast, or anyone outside their mainland except neighboring islands for that matter.
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