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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
The TERRORIST in Gitmo are living life better than they would if they were out free, the difference is now they aren't planning on killing Westerners. Those guys get better treatment, living conditions, and food than some servicemembers do IN THE STATES!
If they're actually terrorists, let's put them through to a trial and get their status official, instead of this limbo land they're in now.
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Originally posted by ODC:
If somebody shoots somebody dead he shouldn't be left off the hook because his defense is "I could have skinned him alive instead".
i agree if you are refering to an innocent productive member of society being murdered for no reason and without cause.
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There's no winners in nuclear warfare. Whatever 'severe wrath' you incur will incur the severe wrath of whatever other nations the missles are even close to pointing at.
you missed the point. dropping nukes on people sucks. both the us and japan know this first hand which is why we don't want immature nutjobs like iran having them.
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111r and odc-do you think al gore was on the right track with that speech he gave in saudi arabia basically saying we (the u.s.) are bad bad people doing bad bad things?
Yes. The masses are getting more and more uneducated, getting news from sensationalist and bias sources, young people care more about Paris Hilton's clothes than current events, and everybody wants cheaper gas and cheaper living yet they don't want to see or hear or know of the dirty work that's being done to facilitate it, much less the consequences of such actions.
sensationalist and biased like the new york times printing a virtual technical manual for how to kill u.s. soldiers by pointing out where and how to shoot them to achieve maximum death tolls. yes this really happened. unless you wanna call captain dale dye, my source, a liar. have you heard the speech gore gave? i heard part of it and it was simply incorrect. i will be nice and not call it a flat out lie. btw, i agree on the paris hilton/pop culture thing.
Originally posted by Zoom Zoom Diva:
If they're actually terrorists, let's put them through to a trial and get their status official, instead of this limbo land they're in now.
if you shoot me in the leg i do not need a court of law to officially tell me you shot me in the leg. it is not like joe muslum was walking down the street one day on his way to services at his local mosque of choice all the while minding his own business when some evil men threw him into the back of a black van, wisked him half around the world and randomly accused him of terrorist acts against the u.s. when he infact had nothing to do with anything. if in fact he had nothing to do with anything then he wouldn't be in guantanamo. if by some accident he happens to actually really be innocent then he will be released. accidents happen you know. and no, the vast majority of people there are not innocent or mistreated despite what some ignorant congressman might tell you, i.e. the pol pot/hilter comment.
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Originally posted by Zoom Zoom Diva:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
The TERRORIST in Gitmo are living life better than they would if they were out free, the difference is now they aren't planning on killing Westerners. Those guys get better treatment, living conditions, and food than some servicemembers do IN THE STATES!
If they're actually terrorists, let's put them through to a trial and get their status official, instead of this limbo land they're in now.
How precisely do you suggest we treat them? Do we give them the criminal treatment, or do we give them the Geneva Convention treatment? Neither one really applies to the Gitmo detainees. Most weren't taken prisoner on US soil, but instead were captured by US military forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. But they're not members of any nation's standing army, so the Geneva Convention, which is a set of rules for militaries in wartime scenarios, has no bearing on their situation.
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You HAVE to treat them as one or the other, and I frankly don't care which. It is simply wrong to hold them indefinitely on suspicion that nobody's willing to prove.
Either that, or if they are international criminals, try them in an international court.
It is simply wrong to hold them indefinitely as is.
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Originally posted by JB1:
it is not like joe muslum was walking down the street one day on his way to services at his local mosque of choice all the while minding his own business when some evil men threw him into the back of a black van, wisked him half around the world and randomly accused him of terrorist acts against the u.s. when he infact had nothing to do with anything. if in fact he had nothing to do with anything then he wouldn't be in guantanamo. if by some accident he happens to actually really be innocent then he will be released. accidents happen you know. and no, the vast majority of people there are not innocent or mistreated despite what some ignorant congressman might tell you, i.e. the pol pot/hilter comment.
Then the government should have no fear telling us why they are detained, whether to try them as criminals or to hold them as enemy combatants.
You seem to trust our government. I don't.
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Originally posted by Zoom Zoom Diva:
You seem to trust our government. I don't.
not exactly. i trust dubya to give our blatant enemies a beat down but i do not in general trust politicians among others.
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Originally posted by Zoom Zoom Diva:
You HAVE to treat them as one or the other, and I frankly don't care which. It is simply wrong to hold them indefinitely on suspicion that nobody's willing to prove.
Either that, or if they are international criminals, try them in an international court.
It is simply wrong to hold them indefinitely as is.
You don't care now, but x amount of time down the road when they do a terrorist act you will complain that they were released and the act could have been prevented.
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so what are we waiting for then? until they change their ways? or wither away? maybe some of them are potential terrorists but just because theyre enemy combatants doesnt mean that theyre going to strap a bomb to themselves and blow up a building. and if so, why dont we just try them and execute them already? if theyre going to hold people indefinitely, without charging them, then they might as well do it covertly and deny they even have prisoners. then the world would be off our back, although that doesnt make it right. isnt this somewhat "similar" to our pows being held for years in vietnam? even after the "war" was over? (not at all to lessen what those poor guys went through!) when a war is "over", arent pows typically returned to their country? or tried? (if having committed war crimes)
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Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by Zoom Zoom Diva:
You HAVE to treat them as one or the other, and I frankly don't care which. It is simply wrong to hold them indefinitely on suspicion that nobody's willing to prove.
Either that, or if they are international criminals, try them in an international court.
It is simply wrong to hold them indefinitely as is.
You don't care now, but x amount of time down the road when they do a terrorist act you will complain that they were released and the act could have been prevented.
So to play it safe lets take the whole Middle East into custody! 
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Originally posted by Zoom Zoom Diva:
You HAVE to treat them as one or the other, and I frankly don't care which. It is simply wrong to hold them indefinitely on suspicion that nobody's willing to prove.
Either that, or if they are international criminals, try them in an international court.
It is simply wrong to hold them indefinitely as is.
You don't care now, but x amount of time down the road when they do a terrorist act you will complain that they were released and the act could have been prevented.
So to play it safe lets take the whole Middle East into custody!
Ok.
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