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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Friend of mine served a tour in Afghanistan & is on his second rotation in Iraq. He just visited for a few weeks and left town on Friday.
He won't even bother to watch news any more. He's got no faith that anything they put in front of you is the truth, or at least suspects that all the reports are biased to a point of view without much coverage from opposing points of view. He is basically shutting his eyes to the 'media' and will tell everybody to do the same until there is more balanced reporting.
If there is any progress towards Iraq becoming a stable self-sufficient democracy I would like to know about it. As far as I know, in the areas that are stable it is not because the new police force is getting control of things, it's because militias have taken control. Vigilantism seems to be the only form of justice present in Iraq today.
Time will tell whether Iraq is more stable and less threatening as a result of the invasion, but as it stands I don't think you can show me one bit of progress toward this goal.
So three elections won't cut it, huh? Nice to see you've got standards. 
You mean Saddam's 99.6% of votes his last 'fair' election doesn't count Jeb? C'mon!?!
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Originally posted by LoadedBakedPotatoe:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Friend of mine served a tour in Afghanistan & is on his second rotation in Iraq. He just visited for a few weeks and left town on Friday.
He won't even bother to watch news any more. He's got no faith that anything they put in front of you is the truth, or at least suspects that all the reports are biased to a point of view without much coverage from opposing points of view. He is basically shutting his eyes to the 'media' and will tell everybody to do the same until there is more balanced reporting.
If there is any progress towards Iraq becoming a stable self-sufficient democracy I would like to know about it. As far as I know, in the areas that are stable it is not because the new police force is getting control of things, it's because militias have taken control. Vigilantism seems to be the only form of justice present in Iraq today.
Time will tell whether Iraq is more stable and less threatening as a result of the invasion, but as it stands I don't think you can show me one bit of progress toward this goal.
Yet another educated by the 'unbiased' media coverage....keep watching the news! God forbide someone with first hand knowledge tell you whats going on!
You didn't tell me anything about what's going on!
Please, if you have any information to contradict my statements let's hear it!
What specifically did your friend tell you that's not getting reported?
Are militias not controlling the stable portions of Iraq?
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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Friend of mine served a tour in Afghanistan & is on his second rotation in Iraq. He just visited for a few weeks and left town on Friday.
He won't even bother to watch news any more. He's got no faith that anything they put in front of you is the truth, or at least suspects that all the reports are biased to a point of view without much coverage from opposing points of view. He is basically shutting his eyes to the 'media' and will tell everybody to do the same until there is more balanced reporting.
If there is any progress towards Iraq becoming a stable self-sufficient democracy I would like to know about it. As far as I know, in the areas that are stable it is not because the new police force is getting control of things, it's because militias have taken control. Vigilantism seems to be the only form of justice present in Iraq today.
Time will tell whether Iraq is more stable and less threatening as a result of the invasion, but as it stands I don't think you can show me one bit of progress toward this goal.
So three elections won't cut it, huh? Nice to see you've got standards.
If the results of the last election lead to a theocratic style government like Iran, how is that progress?
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by LoadedBakedPotatoe:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Friend of mine served a tour in Afghanistan & is on his second rotation in Iraq. He just visited for a few weeks and left town on Friday.
He won't even bother to watch news any more. He's got no faith that anything they put in front of you is the truth, or at least suspects that all the reports are biased to a point of view without much coverage from opposing points of view. He is basically shutting his eyes to the 'media' and will tell everybody to do the same until there is more balanced reporting.
If there is any progress towards Iraq becoming a stable self-sufficient democracy I would like to know about it. As far as I know, in the areas that are stable it is not because the new police force is getting control of things, it's because militias have taken control. Vigilantism seems to be the only form of justice present in Iraq today.
Time will tell whether Iraq is more stable and less threatening as a result of the invasion, but as it stands I don't think you can show me one bit of progress toward this goal.
Yet another educated by the 'unbiased' media coverage....keep watching the news! God forbide someone with first hand knowledge tell you whats going on!
You didn't tell me anything about what's going on!
Please, if you have any information to contradict my statements let's hear it!
What specifically did your friend tell you that's not getting reported?
Are militias not controlling the stable portions of Iraq?
scroll up to a previous post. You are one of those who won't believe it if Iraq tomorrow was completely stable tomorrow and Muslims of the world loved us.
BTW, how does a militia control a stable portion of Iraq? Wouldn't that make it unstable to us?
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Friend of mine served a tour in Afghanistan & is on his second rotation in Iraq. He just visited for a few weeks and left town on Friday.
He won't even bother to watch news any more. He's got no faith that anything they put in front of you is the truth, or at least suspects that all the reports are biased to a point of view without much coverage from opposing points of view. He is basically shutting his eyes to the 'media' and will tell everybody to do the same until there is more balanced reporting.
If there is any progress towards Iraq becoming a stable self-sufficient democracy I would like to know about it. As far as I know, in the areas that are stable it is not because the new police force is getting control of things, it's because militias have taken control. Vigilantism seems to be the only form of justice present in Iraq today.
Time will tell whether Iraq is more stable and less threatening as a result of the invasion, but as it stands I don't think you can show me one bit of progress toward this goal.
So three elections won't cut it, huh? Nice to see you've got standards.
If the results of the last election lead to a theocratic style government like Iran, how is that progress?
Because THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. Jeez. Stop pretending that someone's worst-case scenario is reality and look at the facts for once.
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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Friend of mine served a tour in Afghanistan & is on his second rotation in Iraq. He just visited for a few weeks and left town on Friday.
He won't even bother to watch news any more. He's got no faith that anything they put in front of you is the truth, or at least suspects that all the reports are biased to a point of view without much coverage from opposing points of view. He is basically shutting his eyes to the 'media' and will tell everybody to do the same until there is more balanced reporting.
If there is any progress towards Iraq becoming a stable self-sufficient democracy I would like to know about it. As far as I know, in the areas that are stable it is not because the new police force is getting control of things, it's because militias have taken control. Vigilantism seems to be the only form of justice present in Iraq today.
Time will tell whether Iraq is more stable and less threatening as a result of the invasion, but as it stands I don't think you can show me one bit of progress toward this goal.
So three elections won't cut it, huh? Nice to see you've got standards.
If the results of the last election lead to a theocratic style government like Iran, how is that progress?
Because THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. Jeez. Stop pretending that someone's worst-case scenario is reality and look at the facts for once.
What are the results of the last election?
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
He won't even bother to watch news any more. He's got no faith that anything they put in front of you is the truth, or at least suspects that all the reports are biased to a point of view without much coverage from opposing points of view. He is basically shutting his eyes to the 'media' and will tell everybody to do the same until there is more balanced reporting.
Please ask him for specifics. I would genuinely like to hear exactly what positives have happened in Iraq that the media has missed.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
He won't even bother to watch news any more. He's got no faith that anything they put in front of you is the truth, or at least suspects that all the reports are biased to a point of view without much coverage from opposing points of view. He is basically shutting his eyes to the 'media' and will tell everybody to do the same until there is more balanced reporting.
Please ask him for specifics. I would genuinely like to hear exactly what positives have happened in Iraq that the media has missed.
Originally posted by Viss1:
Nothing will take away from the day-to-day, small-scale outreach and hearts & minds type stuff that occurs all the time, but you have to admit that stuff isn't "news"...
I think you already know. Are you just messin' with me or what?
Let's see, what doesn't get much press.... Just for starters, 1/2 the population of the country can now do something they've never been allowed to do ever before - vote. How many little girls in Iraq were ever priveledged to get an education. Now all have hope that they may learn to read, write, and take part in governing their nation.
Really now, are you f'n kidding me?
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Let's see, what doesn't get much press.... Just for starters, 1/2 the population of the country can now do something they've never been allowed to do ever before - vote.
Voting in Iraq? This is the first I've heard of it! Why hasn't the media covered this? Viss1 sure has egg on his face now.
If this is just for starters, you must have some really good stuff that you are not telling us.
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
How many little girls in Iraq were ever priveledged to get an education. Now all have hope that they may learn to read, write, and take part in governing their nation.
Iraq was probably the most progressive middle eastern country as far as women's issues are concerned(which means they were still pretty backward). Sadam even had a woman in his cabinet.
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Really now, are you f'n kidding me?
No, I'm not. 
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I'm just looking for examples of positive events that have happened in Iraq and have gone unreported.
The quote you posted was in reference to everyday events like soldiers playing baseball with local kids not being on the same level of "newsworthiness" as a dozen soldiers dying in a suicide attack, which is probably why they're not on page 1.
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