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Originally posted by GTO Pete:
Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by GTO Pete:
Considering 05-06 GTOs with 400hp & 400tq are running mid-13 to high-12s stock, I find it hard to believe a MS6 will run with one.
I'll put my stock GTO up against a stock/mildly modded MS6 anytime.
I'm sure you would, and I'm sure you would win too. Never claimed it was faster.
And you can't really look at the power difference between an MS6 and an LS2 GTO to compare possible ETs. '04 GTOs pull almost exactly the same times as '05/'06 GTOs, despite having 50 less horsepower and torque. LS2 GTOs are considerably hampered by a lack of traction, as I'm sure you know.
Traction is an issue. I really looked long and hard at the MS6 and other AWD cars, but all were out of my price range. That's why my first round of big mods (other than wheels) will be suspension-related. Both the MS6 and GT are nice vehicles. IMO, it's whatever suits your tastes.
yea, plus your looking at a car you can drive year round, Its all preference (IMO the Goats are nice, and if there wasent a Terminator, it would be my next car)
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Originally posted by MxRacer:
Originally posted by RawBurt:
I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find. 
much like your weiner.
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It seems by the tone that things are getting sensitive, so I'll wait till I get home tonight to get that weight rating of 3700+ and you can argue about that with them.
You can look at all the publications you want. According to Mazda (and the US Federal Gov't BTW) the MS6 Sport weighs precisely 3589.1 lbs. The GT (moonroof equipped) weighs an extra 72 lbs -- nowhere near "close to 3800lbs".
Oh, and for the record, the fastest published time for the MazdaSpeed6 is a 13.8. It was pulled by a Canadian publication, in the winter. Coupled with some of the early tests done by some US publications, It was one of the first clues that the car's performance suffered greatly in any sort of heat, even before the car hit our shores for sale.
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I wish Mazda had installed some 4.30 gears into the MS6
Actually, one of the last minute (like, almost literally) changes was changing the gears from 3.350 to 3.941. The rest of the world was going to get the 3.9 gears while North America got 3.350 ones. The President of Mazda USA changed it at the last minute to the higher-performing gears at the sacrifice of ~2mpg. 4.3 gears wouldn't be a stretch and mileage would still remain very acceptable.
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Hmmmm 205 whp on 93 premium at 64F!  That is all I got to say. For those who fequent the Mazda 6 forums......how about that mysterious MS6 powerloss? What a joke! 
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Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Hmmmm
205 whp on 93 premium at 64F!
That is all I got to say.
For those who fequent the Mazda 6 forums......how about that mysterious MS6 powerloss? What a joke!
Once more for those who can't quite get it.
You can't take a car that had 5 runs, half of which didn't even work properly for the full run, that had pulls ranging from 205whp to 238whp and then pick the worst run (detonation and an early fuel cutoff) and call that indicative of performance anymore than you can pick the 238/277 run and call that one indicative of the performance.
A sample size of one, and an extremely poor sample at that given the huge variation in results, does not give any conclusions, let alone the right to say that "most" dynos perform similarly, considering that you've only seen one dyno. It's Ricer-Math except usually you see that turned to a car's advantage.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Hmmmm
205 whp on 93 premium at 64F!
That is all I got to say.
For those who fequent the Mazda 6 forums......how about that mysterious MS6 powerloss? What a joke!
Once more for those who can't quite get it.
You can't take a car that had 5 runs, half of which didn't even work properly for the full run, that had pulls ranging from 205whp to 238whp and then pick the worst run (detonation and an early fuel cutoff) and call that indicative of performance anymore than you can pick the 238/277 run and call that one indicative of the performance.
HE HAD TO ICE THE INTERCOOLER TO GET 238!
Hector
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Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Hmmmm
205 whp on 93 premium at 64F!
That is all I got to say.
For those who fequent the Mazda 6 forums......how about that mysterious MS6 powerloss? What a joke!
Once more for those who can't quite get it.
You can't take a car that had 5 runs, half of which didn't even work properly for the full run, that had pulls ranging from 205whp to 238whp and then pick the worst run (detonation and an early fuel cutoff) and call that indicative of performance anymore than you can pick the 238/277 run and call that one indicative of the performance.
HE HAD TO ICE THE INTERCOOLER TO GET 238!
So? If you can use a run that had detonation and where the fuel and boost cuts off and use that as a number, it's just as legitimate to use the run where he iced the intercooler.
Just to make it a little clearer -- None of those runs mean anything.
And, by the way Hector, where are all these other dynos that lead you to believe that "most MazdaSpeed6s dyno in the 200-220 range"? I'd like to see them. Hell, the entire MazdaSpeed6 community would like to see them, since to our knowledge only 2 Forum posters have ever taken their MS6 to be dynoed.
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Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
and installed a FM intercooler and kept the boost up because its relatively low boost and lack of FM intercooler keeps the perf down a bit IMO, afterall, its not going to be matching an EVO/STI anytime soon and yes, I know its not made to do so either
The 6 is a nice looking car although not as nice as it was initially, I would hate to see it EVO-ized with that hideous looking piece of swiss cheese like front end. Although, i'm not sure anyone could get the styling of a front end to look quite as offensive as the EVO so maybe my worries are misplaced.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Hmmmm
205 whp on 93 premium at 64F!
That is all I got to say.
For those who fequent the Mazda 6 forums......how about that mysterious MS6 powerloss? What a joke!
Once more for those who can't quite get it.
You can't take a car that had 5 runs, half of which didn't even work properly for the full run, that had pulls ranging from 205whp to 238whp and then pick the worst run (detonation and an early fuel cutoff) and call that indicative of performance anymore than you can pick the 238/277 run and call that one indicative of the performance.
HE HAD TO ICE THE INTERCOOLER TO GET 238!
So? If you can use a run that had detonation and where the fuel and boost cuts off and use that as a number, it's just as legitimate to use the run where he iced the intercooler.
Just to make it a little clearer -- None of those runs mean anything.
And, by the way Hector, where are all these other dynos that lead you to believe that "most MazdaSpeed6s dyno in the 200-220 range"? I'd like to see them. Hell, the entire MazdaSpeed6 community would like to see them, since to our knowledge only 2 Forum posters have ever taken their MS6 to be dynoed.
Jeez, you'd think you owned one.  Mazda did another RX8 move with the Speed 6. REAL good thing that I didn't wait to get one of these. 
Hector
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Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Hmmmm
205 whp on 93 premium at 64F!
That is all I got to say.
For those who fequent the Mazda 6 forums......how about that mysterious MS6 powerloss? What a joke!
Once more for those who can't quite get it.
You can't take a car that had 5 runs, half of which didn't even work properly for the full run, that had pulls ranging from 205whp to 238whp and then pick the worst run (detonation and an early fuel cutoff) and call that indicative of performance anymore than you can pick the 238/277 run and call that one indicative of the performance.
HE HAD TO ICE THE INTERCOOLER TO GET 238!
So? If you can use a run that had detonation and where the fuel and boost cuts off and use that as a number, it's just as legitimate to use the run where he iced the intercooler.
Just to make it a little clearer -- None of those runs mean anything.
And, by the way Hector, where are all these other dynos that lead you to believe that "most MazdaSpeed6s dyno in the 200-220 range"? I'd like to see them. Hell, the entire MazdaSpeed6 community would like to see them, since to our knowledge only 2 Forum posters have ever taken their MS6 to be dynoed.
Jeez, you'd think you owned one. Mazda did another RX8 move with the Speed 6. REAL good thing that I didn't wait to get one of these.
Dont get your panties in a knot, You bought the EVO, some people will buy the Spec B, my dad got the MS6, i havent had ONE problem with the car, everything runs great, the AWD is GREAT, the interior is really nice on the way downtown, the Stereo is Great.
Hector, have you ever driven a Speed 6?
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Originally posted by MxRacer:
Originally posted by RawBurt:
I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find.
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Originally posted by Tourige:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Hmmmm
205 whp on 93 premium at 64F!
That is all I got to say.
For those who fequent the Mazda 6 forums......how about that mysterious MS6 powerloss? What a joke!
Once more for those who can't quite get it.
You can't take a car that had 5 runs, half of which didn't even work properly for the full run, that had pulls ranging from 205whp to 238whp and then pick the worst run (detonation and an early fuel cutoff) and call that indicative of performance anymore than you can pick the 238/277 run and call that one indicative of the performance.
HE HAD TO ICE THE INTERCOOLER TO GET 238!
So? If you can use a run that had detonation and where the fuel and boost cuts off and use that as a number, it's just as legitimate to use the run where he iced the intercooler.
Just to make it a little clearer -- None of those runs mean anything.
And, by the way Hector, where are all these other dynos that lead you to believe that "most MazdaSpeed6s dyno in the 200-220 range"? I'd like to see them. Hell, the entire MazdaSpeed6 community would like to see them, since to our knowledge only 2 Forum posters have ever taken their MS6 to be dynoed.
Jeez, you'd think you owned one. Mazda did another RX8 move with the Speed 6. REAL good thing that I didn't wait to get one of these.
Dont get your panties in a knot, You bought the EVO, some people will buy the Spec B, my dad got the MS6, i havent had ONE problem with the car, everything runs great, the AWD is GREAT, the interior is really nice on the way downtown, the Stereo is Great.
Hector, have you ever driven a Speed 6?
No....Mazda still doesn't have any here.........that I have seen. Honestly I would love to test drive one, sounds like a decent car. Mazda just needs to get their stuff straight with some of the issues.
Hector
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