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Considering 05-06 GTOs with 400hp & 400tq are running mid-13 to high-12s stock, I find it hard to believe a MS6 will run with one.
I'll put my stock GTO up against a stock/mildly modded MS6 anytime.
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Originally posted by GTO Pete:
Considering 05-06 GTOs with 400hp & 400tq are running mid-13 to high-12s stock, I find it hard to believe a MS6 will run with one.
I'll put my stock GTO up against a stock/mildly modded MS6 anytime.
...and win easily 
If you check into it, you'll see the MS6 weighs in at about 3710-3770, seriously.
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Originally posted by GTO Pete:
Considering 05-06 GTOs with 400hp & 400tq are running mid-13 to high-12s stock, I find it hard to believe a MS6 will run with one.
I'll put my stock GTO up against a stock/mildly modded MS6 anytime.
I'm sure you would, and I'm sure you would win too. Never claimed it was faster.
And you can't really look at the power difference between an MS6 and an LS2 GTO to compare possible ETs. '04 GTOs pull almost exactly the same times as '05/'06 GTOs, despite having 50 less horsepower and torque. LS2 GTOs are considerably hampered by a lack of traction, as I'm sure you know.
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Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
Originally posted by GTO Pete:
Considering 05-06 GTOs with 400hp & 400tq are running mid-13 to high-12s stock, I find it hard to believe a MS6 will run with one.
I'll put my stock GTO up against a stock/mildly modded MS6 anytime.
...and win easily
If you check into it, you'll see the MS6 weighs in at about 3710-3770, seriously.
Again, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone outside of some Mazda engineer somewhere who knows more about the Mazda6 than I do. I don't have to "check into it" because I can tell you exactly what it is -- just under 3600lbs, just as I said.
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I dont know where Hector got those numbers but thats a friggen joke, the car is in the 13's no doubt about it, and im pretty sure it can trap over 100
Maybe with some mods.... GTs are lucky to break 14 and 100. Almost every MS6 test I have seen put it in the low to mid 14s and these guys launch cars for a living. It ran a 14.8 because it had 91 octane.... 91.... not 87. A lot of the united states doesn't offer 93. Even parts of PA I have found only offer 91 or 92. Did you see the 0-100 time of 24 seconds? I had to run 89 in my GT several times (in a rural area) and the car performed nearly the same as with 93.(STIs have documented some power loss on low octane but nowhere near the loses the MS6 is suffering) The octane sensitivity and poor cooling is a major design flaw. Its not something easily fixed by an ECM reflash. This flaw is heavily documented and now is shown in a magazine. The production delays were probably buying time to work out engine issues. I hope the new SUV mazda has these issues worked out. (since its de-tuned)
Also I mentioned before that the aftermarket support for the GT is strong. I know you cannot compare stock to modded but with the GT you have some easy cheap mods if you crave more performance. If you want, a stage 2 legacy will give an '06 Goat a run for the money. Having that option is a selling point for me especially for a performance car. I can't imagine MS6 aftermarket will be that strong since in current tune the car is so sensitive. Maybe adding a FMIC would really help.
MS6 weighs 3600-3700lbs depending on trim.
The GT weighs roughly. 3250-3400(wagon)
The MS6 is a neat car. I like the car its based on. The interior is interesting looking and quite comfortable. The exterior is also quite attractive.
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Originally posted by jerseycat10:
Originally posted by warmonger:
We mostly buy cars on looks.
OK, that seems a little shallow.
Originally posted by warmonger:
Subarus are FUGLY.
Generalize much?
Originally posted by warmonger:
That is about the only reason I would have bought a EVO vs. a STi.
I agree, the STI is ugly, but not all subaru's are.
Originally posted by warmonger:
Looks are also in the eyes of the beholder. So people who need glasses buy Subarus, or Dodge Neons 
Originally posted by warmonger:
The rest of us buy cars that look like they have class.
Implying what? That my Legacy is classless? Yet, your vehicles of choice include a 3XX HP contour.
Actually, I like the looks of the Subie. It's not as garish as the new WRX, or even as the MS6, for that matter. I think they "overdid" the front end treatment going for "sinister." The Spec B is a little more understated, and so IMHO, more "classy" looking than the MS6. (Although I wouldn't be ashamed to drive either.)
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I don't have to "check into it" because I can tell you exactly what it is -- just under 3600lbs, just as I said.
It seems by the tone that things are getting sensitive, so I'll wait till I get home tonight to get that weight rating of 3700+ and you can argue about that with them. Maybe a moonroof car weighs a bit more, but I'm pretty sure I know what I read, especially when it pertains to numbers I wish Mazda had installed some 4.30 gears into the MS6 and installed a FM intercooler and kept the boost up because its relatively low boost and lack of FM intercooler keeps the perf down a bit IMO, afterall, its not going to be matching an EVO/STI anytime soon and yes, I know its not made to do so either but it could and still keep its "mature" look and audience! Maybe they'll have all the bugs worked out of it by the summer of 2008 when my lease is up on the Crossfire 
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Originally posted by jerseycat10:
Implying what? That my Legacy is classless? Yet, your vehicles of choice include a 3XX HP contour.
Hahaha, Yep. And my Volvo, and my Mazda. And how do you get any classier than a Contour SVT forum there bud????
Especially a 300+ whp sleeper that people take for mildly modded above stock???
Now THAT is cool and fun.....and classy. 
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As ive said before, i personally havent had any problems with my MS6, so basing EVERY car in this "TMIC problem" area is kinda stupid, thats like saying every contour's tranny is going to break down and your going to get rod knock..
im just stating the facts here.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by GTO Pete:
Considering 05-06 GTOs with 400hp & 400tq are running mid-13 to high-12s stock, I find it hard to believe a MS6 will run with one.
I'll put my stock GTO up against a stock/mildly modded MS6 anytime.
I'm sure you would, and I'm sure you would win too. Never claimed it was faster.
And you can't really look at the power difference between an MS6 and an LS2 GTO to compare possible ETs. '04 GTOs pull almost exactly the same times as '05/'06 GTOs, despite having 50 less horsepower and torque. LS2 GTOs are considerably hampered by a lack of traction, as I'm sure you know.
Traction is an issue. I really looked long and hard at the MS6 and other AWD cars, but all were out of my price range. That's why my first round of big mods (other than wheels) will be suspension-related. Both the MS6 and GT are nice vehicles. IMO, it's whatever suits your tastes.
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