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Originally posted by fazzman2000:
I dont see why mazda would put a top mount with no vent or scoop what were they thinking? I like the new mazda cx7 nice looking suv.
There is a scoop actually. The hood has an integrated scoop that draws air in from under the grill and feeds the intercooler. The problem isn't lack of airflow, it's just the incredible amount of heat that the intercooler is sitting on top of.
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Originally posted by sigma:
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The MS6 is a coppled together monster 6. The subaru was designed from the onset as a 4wd sports sedan. The MS6 is a preformance joke. There are tons of posts from owners who are complaining because the car isn't performing like it should. Look at the latest comparo with the MS6 against other AWD sports sedans. The engine ran out of steam and had the same 0-100 number as a toyota camry 4 cylinder. There is heak soak and octane problems... it makes less HP then the suby when you put 91 in it and after some agressive driving it turns the boost off. As mentioned before the awd is an afterthought
The MazdaSpeed6 has some serious teething problems, there's no doubt; all are related to software issues that need to be resolved though, nothing mechanically serious. And it's anything but "cobbled together" and it's AWD is not an "afterthought" just because the car it's based on doesn't carry that equipment. I doubt too many people would call the Mitsubishi EVO a bunch of "cobbled together afterthoughts" just because it differs significantly from a Lancer.
Mazda is betting its' future on the underpinnings of the MazdaSpeed6, with FoMoCo hedging some serious bets on it as well. Mazda will have 3 cars based on that drivetrain within 2 years and Ford will likely have at least 1 other and possibly as many as 3 cars using it as well. You can be damn sure that any problems that the MazdaSpeed6 has are getting the full attention of Mazda before its' woes become standard on major production models rather than a limited edition vehicle.
"Test Bed", maybe. "Afterthought", anything but.
Very well said!
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oh yea, FYI my dads MS6 hasent had any problems with boost or with heat soak from the TMIC. Actually the car seems crazy fast compared to the 01 Cobra i drove a while ago (a car that claims 50 more hp)
Just my .02 the MS6 is underrated, people think its crap because its a 4cyl, or because it dosent have full time AWD (which i explained is actually a benefit, not a downfall)
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I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find. 
much like your weiner.
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Originally posted by Kokopellian:
Originally posted by MxRacer:
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I will get the MS6. Torque at a lower RPM and better interior, that is.
and getting your ass handed to you everytime you come across a legacy gt? priceless.
He wouldn't cross one much, if ever. Only 500 made, remember.
thats why i said legacy gt and not the spec b. 
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Originally posted by Tourige:
oh yea, FYI my dads MS6 hasent had any problems with boost or with heat soak from the TMIC. Actually the car seems crazy fast compared to the 01 Cobra i drove a while ago (a car that claims 50 more hp)
Just my .02 the MS6 is underrated, people think its crap because its a 4cyl, or because it dosent have full time AWD (which i explained is actually a benefit, not a downfall)
I've heard more posts saying its underrated. The legacy is also "underrated." Most GTs are producing more TQ then rated... 265-280 stock. I don't really see advantages of a part time awd vs a well engineered awd. Gas mileage is no different and the subaru system is simpler and stronger. I have several cars with part time and 3 cars with full time. There is a difference in bad weather and agressive driving.
Comparing and EVO to a Lancer is very different. They are basically two different cars. The EVO has a completely redone platform and drivetrain.
The other thing to keep in mind... the GT has large aftermarket support because the engine is nearly identical to the STI. I said before that for $500 you can get a basic reflash to bring the power up to 290hp and 305tq with no other mods.
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believe me, ive driven and drifted the MS6 in the snow, the car has ALL WHEEL DRIVE.
anyone that says the MS6 is over priced is seriously retarted, I dont see any cars with AWD, 274hp, heated seats, navigation system, HID's etc. for that price, sure i could get a G35X for more, and be like every other tampoon loving G35 owner.
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Originally posted by MxRacer:
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I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find.
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Comparing and EVO to a Lancer is very different. They are basically two different cars. The EVO has a completely redone platform and drivetrain.
Although it's not quite as obvious, the MazdaSpeed6 is just as different.
Almost every mechanical component from the engine internals to the exhaust tips is totally unique to the car. Every single drivetrain component is unique to the MS6 from the half-axles to the transmission to the differentials; almost every single powertrain component outside of the block itself is unique. Suspension geometry is changed (slightly) and all suspension components are completely different and significantly stronger. Inside, The seats are different, the console is different, the gauges are different, the leather itself is different, even the door panels are different. The platform itself roughly the same, yes, but it's been strengthened significantly.
About the only thing NOT changed in a really measurable way was the exterior. And that was done on purpose.
The mod point is a good one, but that's not really comparing cars. It's comparing aftermarket support which is another subject entirely.
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Similar yet very different cars - I like them both. I considered both cars, but way out of my price range so I ended up with the Goat.
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Originally posted by LocoGSR:
MS6 is crap. Go read in any of the Mazda 6 forums how much power these cars really make.   
pffft, its just a slower version of your car with a better interior and options.
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I'll be keeping it to myself, until the time comes. It'll be hard to find.
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