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Originally posted by dnewma04:
I'd take a LGT over a M6. The 6 interior just looks cheap and that damn integrated HU is a deal breaker for me.
Again, the interior of the Mazdaspeed is totally different. It doesn't even have the integrated HU.
When Mazda makes a performance model, they don't just slap on some suspension changes and a few interior/exterior tidbits and jack the price $5000 like Subaru did to the Legacy GT. The Legacy GT is a great car, but the Spec B is just flat-out over-rated and over-priced.
For the added $3000 over a regular Mazda6s you get 55hp, 80lb/ft, a 6-speed transmission, an AWD system with LSD, larger brakes, a completely unique interior that replaces probably 50% of the interior parts, fully-revised suspension, frame changes to increase stiffness (already one of the stiffest sedan chassis on the market) over 30%, full body-cladding changes (love-hate thing there), some unique paint choices, and if it really matters to you a car built in Japan rather than one from Michigan.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
I'd take a LGT over a M6. The 6 interior just looks cheap and that damn integrated HU is a deal breaker for me.
Again, the interior of the Mazdaspeed is totally different. It doesn't even have the integrated HU.
I'd hit the MS6. The Subie does nothing for me.
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
I'd take a LGT over a M6. The 6 interior just looks cheap and that damn integrated HU is a deal breaker for me.
Umm, you know the Legacy's HU is integrated, right?
In fact, many Legacy owners are running around with 2 HU's in their car because the Automatic Climate Control System is literally one-in-the-same with the radio. Those with manual climate control (like me), at least have the option of buying a Metra kit and installing a single din radio.
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Originally posted by jerseycat10:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
I'd take a LGT over a M6. The 6 interior just looks cheap and that damn integrated HU is a deal breaker for me.
Umm, you know the Legacy's HU is integrated, right?
In fact, many Legacy owners are running around with 2 HU's in their car because the Automatic Climate Control System is literally one-in-the-same with the radio. Those with manual climate control (like me), at least have the option of buying a Metra kit and installing a single din radio.
Yes, but given the choice between the two, I find the Subie to have the superior interior to the Mazda. I would just hack the M6 stereo to add an S/PDIF output, but it also doesn't play MP3s. Not sure if the Subie does or not.
So, in short:
M6 interior is average at best. Subie is above average. Everything else is similar enough to not distinguish one from the other.
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
Originally posted by jerseycat10:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
I'd take a LGT over a M6. The 6 interior just looks cheap and that damn integrated HU is a deal breaker for me.
Umm, you know the Legacy's HU is integrated, right?
In fact, many Legacy owners are running around with 2 HU's in their car because the Automatic Climate Control System is literally one-in-the-same with the radio. Those with manual climate control (like me), at least have the option of buying a Metra kit and installing a single din radio.
Yes, but given the choice between the two, I find the Subie to have the superior interior to the Mazda. I would just hack the M6 stereo to add an S/PDIF output, but it also doesn't play MP3s. Not sure if the Subie does or not.
So, in short:
M6 interior is average at best. Subie is above average. Everything else is similar enough to not distinguish one from the other.
Only the high end Subaru Legacy 3.0 can decode mp3's.
Someone on the subaru forums developed a piece of hardware to hack in a aux-in for ipod integration. I relish the fact that I have manual climate control.
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Ill take the MS6 (im biased tho)
I like the car cause it gives the consumer basically what no other car company will give, a rare car, with great power, AWD, 6 speed manual, stiffened everything, and to top it off, its got an Excellent interior.
To me its this generations version of the SVT Contour, basically in a class of its own which is why C&D and other magazines have such hard times finding cars for it to compete with, it basically knocks everything out of the competiton.
On the Subaru side, the car looks ok, its all a matter of opinion, as for the true AWD system, i dont see why people have a problem with it.. the MS6 uses the AWD when it needs it, it dosent skimp out on the use of AWD, but they were smart in cutting it for highway/non-spirited driving to save gas. I dont see how anyone could have a problem with that, its more of a plus than a minus.
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I did go to dealerships for the MS6 and LGT SB. Both are nice. The materials in the MS6 is in a different league from the regular M6. The regular LGT Ltd is better than M6, I will give that. But not the MS6. The seat leather is so much more refined. You will not feel that's the regular M6.
The MS6 shown in the dealership is with the color titanium grey. It's close to Subie's Crystal grey, but with higher quality and finish. Paint quality is one thing Subie society complains a lot. But the MS6 did a good job on that.
I had to admit that I didn't test drive either. Neither of the Mazda or Subaru dealership let any one drive, just like when STi or Evo were first relased in the US market. I did see dealer markup. On the MS6 it was $1500, and on the LGT SB it was $2000. Of course I wouldn't even try to discuss with the sales. My preference toward the MS6, is merely based on the personal experience sitting in the cars, and from the figures on paper. In real driving I may change my view, but at this moment I still prefer the MS6. Also, 6 gear won't hurt either. I like the effort Mazda did to overhaul a completely different beast, instead of Subaru just dressed up an already good car to jack up the price. That is, the premium MS6 charges is more justified than LGT SB.
Don't get me wrong, both cars are very refined, and I will be very happy to get one. Uniqueness is always my thing. That's the reason I bought my 98 SVT E0 new, when regular V6 SEs were about 5K cheaper. The SAAB 9-2X is equally unique, but I bought it for other reason (reads - great incentives).
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I got my Legacy GT which has the same performance as the spec-b for 24k. Same car minus the revised shocks and wheels... and color of leather. The MS6 is a coppled together monster 6. The subaru was designed from the onset as a 4wd sports sedan. The MS6 is a preformance joke. There are tons of posts from owners who are complaining because the car isn't performing like it should. Look at the latest comparo with the MS6 against other AWD sports sedans. The engine ran out of steam and had the same 0-100 number as a toyota camry 4 cylinder. There is heak soak and octane problems... it makes less HP then the suby when you put 91 in it and after some agressive driving it turns the boost off. As mentioned before the awd is an afterthought. The spec-b should not be compared to anything since they only made 500.... you are better of comparing the Legacy GT Limited since its the same car minus the wheels and the bilstein shocks. The MS6 is a cool car but needs some revisions before I would trade my Subaru in for it.... think reliability down the road also. The interiors are too close to call. Drive them back to back and then decide. 
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I dont see why mazda would put a top mount with no vent or scoop what were they thinking? I like the new mazda cx7 nice looking suv.
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The MS6 is a coppled together monster 6. The subaru was designed from the onset as a 4wd sports sedan. The MS6 is a preformance joke. There are tons of posts from owners who are complaining because the car isn't performing like it should. Look at the latest comparo with the MS6 against other AWD sports sedans. The engine ran out of steam and had the same 0-100 number as a toyota camry 4 cylinder. There is heak soak and octane problems... it makes less HP then the suby when you put 91 in it and after some agressive driving it turns the boost off. As mentioned before the awd is an afterthought
The MazdaSpeed6 has some serious teething problems, there's no doubt; all are related to software issues that need to be resolved though, nothing mechanically serious. And it's anything but "cobbled together" and it's AWD is not an "afterthought" just because the car it's based on doesn't carry that equipment. I doubt too many people would call the Mitsubishi EVO a bunch of "cobbled together afterthoughts" just because it differs significantly from a Lancer.
Mazda is betting its' future on the underpinnings of the MazdaSpeed6, with FoMoCo hedging some serious bets on it as well. Mazda will have 3 cars based on that drivetrain within 2 years and Ford will likely have at least 1 other and possibly as many as 3 cars using it as well. You can be damn sure that any problems that the MazdaSpeed6 has are getting the full attention of Mazda before its' woes become standard on major production models rather than a limited edition vehicle.
"Test Bed", maybe. "Afterthought", anything but.
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