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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
The only thing I don't understand is, where are the bodies of the passengers on board the 747 that crashed into the Pentagon?

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That plane was a 757 200 series.

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Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Hey, these guys are from my backyard - Oneonta NY. There is another CEGer here somewhere who actually lives in Oneonta



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Like Steeda, I was active duty, and stationed IN WASHINGTON DC, at the time. I held classified orders, and worked under an active top-secret (FYEO) clearance. I couldn't say I lived there.. I had to say I lived elsewhere!! I couldn't even write that I worked there.


There was no missle. There was most definitely a plane.. I most definitely lost three friends, and one relative in that crash. I, also, most definitely saw it in person. Going by what was "reportedly" going on/happening in that video is simply not intelligent. Taking "some" person's information as fact, or even as "possible" simply because you saw it in a video (when the opposite information is readily apparent and witnessed by so many uninvolved American citizens) is assanine.


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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
The burning up of an airplane is only a small portion of that film. There's no explanation of how the steel beams were melted down in the basement. I used to design those steel beams, and there's no chance in hell of them melting from a fire, 40 some odd stories up. Saying that a fireball travelled down the elevator shaft is laughable at best, if that's the best argument they had. Also, how does a building explode outward, if it's collapsing? Where did the explosions come from?



The buildings didn't explode outward. What we saw on the footage was the remaining fragments of the planes shooting out the other side of each building.

As for the beams in the basement, first we need to determine whether that did indeed happen. If it did, there are plenty of rational explanations for it... like there was volatile material stored down there, or burning fuel ran down an air passage, etc.


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I think that Bush planned the entire 9/11 events because he knew that he would be able to convince people to let him go into Iraq for the oil and to avenge his father.


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That is the most asinine thing I've ever read.


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So it went right along with the theories that video put foward?


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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
Well, you're catching on then. I don't know if you watched the video from beginning to end, but it talks about how the beams in the basement, were reported to have been melted in the same corners of every level of the basement. I'm trying to figure out how beams in a basement, 40+ stories below the crash, would have melted! Their reasoning was that a fireball travelled down the elevator shaft. LOL!

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First off, if you're solely taking the info from the video as gospel, you're being naive. Second, there's this force called gravity that would have caused the fuel load on those planes to proceed downward through any avenue they could find (air vents, elevator shafts, support structures) once the plane was coming apart. Most of the fuel would be located in the parts of the plane that hit and penetrated the building, so that meant most of the fuel was going to go down, and it's more than likely that a lot of it didn't just vaporize in place or burn before it got down there. And that DOESN'T take into consideration other combustibles in the basement levels. Just because burning fuel got down there, it wasn't all that would burn.

And as for the victims at the Pentago...they were there. Oh yes, they were there. Part of me hopes that what I was told in the days afterward wasn't true, though. The first responders must have had nightmares forever.


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Let's recycle an old post of mine...

http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=interests&Number=971489&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=2&vc=1

And here it is below along with some comments I added further below specific to this video:

I would just like to note that I was sitting in the upper floors of 7 WTC when the first plane passed just above and to my right side window before it struck the WTC tower behind me.

All I heard was a very sudden wooooosh that was very loud and shook everything around me. It sounded nothing at all like an airplane. There was a very fast moving object that I saw out of the corner of my eye. I immediately whipped around and saw the huge hole in the side of the building next to mine taking up about 4 floors. There was a huge fire, desks, chairs and concrete pouring out and NO PLANE PARTS ANYWHERE. I had no idea what had just happened.

By the time we all got to the lobby of my building to escape, we had front row seats to the second plane hitting the tower over our heads. I saw a gigantic fireball come out of the side of the building and lots of debris but no airplane. At that point everyone panicked and took off because we were less than a block from the falling debris with only a glass wall between us and the stuff that was falling toward us. We still had no idea what was going on, but some people had noted seeing a small plane fly into the building. It must have been moving really really fast.

After running 1/4 mile from the site in the direction that the second plane was flying in (North) I saw no debris anywhere. I saw tons at the WTC site and around my building, but nothing beyond that.

Anyone that denies what happened on that day is a complete moron.

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I'd also like to add that a few friends of mine who were inside the buildings one of which was in the bridge connecting the World Financial Center with the North Tower recalled very clearly to me that flames erupted into the lobby of the WTC moments after the plane struck. The fireball definitely made its way down the elevator shaft.

A missile fired possibly 5 feet away from the tower as the plane was about to impact??!?! WTF?!?! This is so full of crap! Ever heard of sun glare? I'd highly suspect that the camera equipment caught a nice flash of sun glare from the sunrise I clearly remember that AM. A nice bright orange sunrise that we always get on clear days in NYC as a matter of fact. Silver unpainted aircraft bellies are very reflective.

Buildings rigged to collapse neatly? Uhhh so when did they cut the beams inside my office (7 WTC) and all my friends and co-workers offices and plant the explosives in there? In the years I spent there I sure as hell didn't see anyone in there doing jack to prep the building for a collapse.

As far as the cell phones not working inside an airliner at cruising altitude. First off I question the claim that the calls were even made at cruising altitude as the airliners descended shortly after the hijacking IIRC. Next, there is information from the airlines on the net showing that cell phones in fact do work on an airpline at cruising altitude. These tests were conducted because of the debate taking place right now over the safety of using cell phones on commercial airlines flights and whether or not the FAA and FCC will allow it.

Once again - Anyone that denies what happened on that day is a complete moron.


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Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
I think that Bush planned the entire 9/11 events because he knew that he would be able to convince people to let him go into Iraq for the oil and to avenge his father.




wow i really hope youre joking.


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