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I think the video brought up some good points, but I don't know enough about the legistics to put it all together. I know zero about airplanes, so it could have been bogus, but it does have me somewhat convinced that there was some foul play involved. The only thing I don't understand is, where are the bodies of the passengers on board the 747 that crashed into the Pentagon? If it was a missile or whatever they're suggesting, that doesn't show where the passengers went?

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i thought it was rather interesting but some of his points seemed weak. while it all seems "plausible" the thing that i wouldnt be able to believe is that it would be damn near impossible to have a consipiracy of that magnitude and so horrendous with so many people who actually know the "real story".

think about it. JFK's assasination, how many people could that have involved? three? five? ten? not too hard to keep the "truth" under wraps. but WTC? with all the FBI walking around the crash scenes, pilots, military, CIA?, etc... waay too many people to have involved in something so heinous to be able to keep it a permanent secret. there would be leaks somewhere....
i honestly dont think that many American citizens would be willing to be involved in something like that and keep it a secret. just doesnt make sense.


but im all for people challenging the government and playing devil's advocate. we need people to do this. if the government has nothing to hide, why not produce the mentioned tapes? the people defending the government's position would be the very same people who say if you have nothing to hide, who cares if the government is secretly listening to your phone calls and reading your emails.


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This Video again,


My Cousin was talking about this the other day, Where is the wreckage etc etc..

How many people have ever been around a Aircraft on fire full of fuel? There is little to nothing left after its done.

There was no Government involvment in 9/11 other than we unknowingly trained some pilots, No missle. Just trust me on this one, i've seen alot more detailed photo's and info on all 4 accident sites than the person making this video and probably 99% of the world.


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Is that the same vid as the one in this thread?


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Originally posted by SteedaSVTââ??¢:
This Video again,


My Cousin Vinny was talking about this the other day, Where is the wreckage etc etc..

How many people have ever been around a Aircraft on fire full of fuel? There is little to nothing left after its done.

There was no Government involvment in 9/11 other than we unknowingly trained some pilots, No missle. Just trust me on this one, i've seen alot more detailed photo's and info on all 4 accident sites than the person making this video and probably 99% of the world.


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youre one of the people in on it!


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This video has been floating around for a long time, and there are a couple of sites that debunk the claims with some pretty (relatively) computer models. The video is entertaining in a way similar to professional wrestling. Pure entertainment with no real substance.


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the only thing we can really count on is that we don't know and probably will never know the whole extent of what took place regarding the 9/11 attacks. for all their precision and surprise it's highly unlikely that there wasn't some sort of 'inside' help.

and just for conspiracy sake, since i think they're interesting, if there was some sort of secret involvement (rogue gov agencies, illuminati, etc) it's very improbable that anyone in the bush admin knew before hand as they would've likely bumbled and spilled the beans by now.

there are a bunch of unanswered questions around some parts of 9/11 but the rabit hole is probably deeper than most people can imagine, and more than the public could probably digest. if there is any truth to any part of the conspiracies the people who do will take it to their grave if they're not there already. and those who are close enough to suspect probably don't want to know or ask.

personally for me, some form of conspiracy is not beyond the realm of belief. i can see a reason why it would be done. it's just the who and how that's left to be checked off. like i said, the last 24 (even though it's hollywood) was a good what if scenario...


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The burning up of an airplane is only a small portion of that film. There's no explanation of how the steel beams were melted down in the basement. I used to design those steel beams, and there's no chance in hell of them melting from a fire, 40 some odd stories up. Saying that a fireball travelled down the elevator shaft is laughable at best, if that's the best argument they had. Also, how does a building explode outward, if it's collapsing? Where did the explosions come from?

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Originally posted by BP:
for all their precision and surprise it's highly unlikely that there wasn't some sort of 'inside' help.




What specifically are you speaking of that would require inside help to pull-off? I know it's sometimes hard to distinguish television from reality but give me a break.

Conspiracy-mongering is counter-productive. It's going to take a lot more than the nonsense in this video to make me think there was any more to 9/11 than was revealed.


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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
The burning up of an airplane is only a small portion of that film. There's no explanation of how the steel beams were melted down in the basement. I used to design those steel beams, and there's no chance in hell of them melting from a fire, 40 some odd stories up. Saying that a fireball travelled down the elevator shaft is laughable at best, if that's the best argument they had. Also, how does a building explode outward, if it's collapsing? Where did the explosions come from?

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How much fuel was the plane carrying?


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