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If I were an employee I'd tell Ford to [censored] off, sell whatever I had and buy a Honda and park wherever I can. I can't believe dom. automakers have stooped to guilt trips than building the better car.
I can't believe people continue to believe Domestics don't/can't build better (or at least as good) cars:
And as said before, what 5 times in this thread, import manufacturers often have the same rules at their own plants. This isn't anyone "stooping", it's the media getting whiff of the blood in the water and playing it up to be much more than it is.
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Sigma:
Accord > Fusion
Accord > Impala
Accord >>> G6
And I hate the Accord.
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Originally posted by sigma:
And as said before, what 5 times in this thread, import manufacturers often have the same rules at their own plants. This isn't anyone "stooping", it's the media getting whiff of the blood in the water and playing it up to be much more than it is.
...and the lemmings have eaten it up, as is clear by some of the posts in this thread.
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Originally posted by ODC:
Sigma:
Accord > Fusion
Accord > Impala
Accord >>> G6
And I hate the Accord.
You would have to equate your "greater than" statement. Being "better than" is highly subjective.
Though I definintely agree on the G6 statement and agree with you on the Impala. I don't agree on the Fusion. I'd, at best, give it a tie. The Accord is way overdue for a big upgrade.
And the market apparently feels the same way. Ford had aggressive targets for the Fusion and its' sister cars, and it's on-pace to overshoot even those by a wide margin.
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Originally posted by ODC:
Sigma:
Accord > Fusion
Accord > Impala
Accord >>> G6
And I hate the Accord.
C6 is faster than an Accord. And yes, I don't have a point either. I just wanted to be in your club.
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I don't think it is the worst idea, although IMO, they shouldn't be driving a competitors product in the first place.
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Different POV on brand reliability. 
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J.D. Power is really a measure of satisfaction and not a measure of quality. If you feel the car accelerates too slowly, that counts as a J.D. Power quality complaint, even though it has nothing to do with the quality of the car.
On the Ford policy... you can love to work for a company, even though they don't make any products or services you want to buy. If it weren't for the Mazda6, there would be no new Ford product I would want to own that I could own.
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Originally posted by Pete D:
Different POV on brand reliability.
Hmm, that's funny Toyota brands take spot 1,2, and 3. Honda brands take spots 4 and 5. Ford is the top Ford brand and it is a 15. Mercury and Mazda are next, followed by volvo, Lincoln, Jaguar, and Land Rover which is in last place. It seems that consumers reports fair and objective method of determining reliability, which disregards a person's opinion about what reliability is and substitutes the actual number of problems a car of a certain make had, actually says what I've postulated for several years. JD Power's survey is flawed at it's very core, as it doesn't look at emperical evidence about how many problems per 100 vehicles, but it asks opinions of owners. You get people like my next door neighbor some time ago who had a Taurus that was in for warranty work 17 some odd times in three years that tell J.D. Power, "Yes my car has been trouble free". Due to these poor responses, and the fact that more domestic car owners recieve surveys than Japanese car owners, the data is slanted.
However, what Ford is doing has been common practice for years at Ford, it just wasn't a formal rule. We always drove Ford and nothing else as long as my Dad worked there, even though we liked other products better. I can certainly understand why they have the rule, I mean how bad does it look when UAW workers show up to a Ford truck plant driving an Toyota Sequoia, or a Honda Pilot. It basically tells the public that the people building the cars don't have the confidence in them to purchase one. That is a bad thing for the public to see, and so it is in Ford's interest to keep that from happening as much as possible. That is the reason for A plan and other employee incentives.
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come to work with me at hyundai. about half the employee cars are hyundais and those of us driving something else can park in any spot we choose and it doesn't appear to be negatively effecting hyundai one little bit. this is a matter of pride for the automakers rather than logic.
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