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Originally posted by Hdbngr8:
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[Lastly, and most importantly, your attempted line of logic is flawed. That particular Ford plant offers an incentive if you drive a Ford. It doesn't claim that you have to drive a Ford in order to work for Ford, just that you'll get better parking if you choose to do so. If Boeing was giving out free airline tickets to its' employees, then it would have every right to dictate that those free tickets were only valid on flights using Boeing equipment.
My real aim was to highlight the fact that large corporations are attempting (and have been successful for some time now) to control how an employee spends his/her time and money while outside of the work environment. I see this as only the beginning, and that Ford will likely take that to the next level. To me it is just a silly way to try and force the employees to buy a Ford product.
Ford, Toyota, GM, Honda, everyone has been doing this for decades. This isn't a new thing, it's been a rule, generally an unspoken one, at factories since competition began. It's never gone "to the next level". And it doesn't "force" employees to do anything, it rewards them if they do.
To use my above example again, if Boeing was giving out free airline tickets anywhere in the world, but you had to fly on only Boeing equipment, would that be "wrong"? "Discrimination"? A lot less people would think that was so bad -- after all, it's a company giving you something for free; so what if you have to do meet their criteria in order to use it.
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While I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it. So lets leave it at that.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Ford, Toyota, GM, Honda, everyone has been doing this for decades. This isn't a new thing, it's been a rule, generally an unspoken one, at factories since competition began. It's never gone "to the next level". And it doesn't "force" employees to do anything, it rewards them if they do.
It's going to a next level if it was one thing one day and another thing the next -- as it is in this case with the parking policy to be implemented in the near future, whereas it would be different if it were a policy held in every Ford factory since they have been built.
I don't see it as true discrimination because employees do have the choice to purchase even the junkiest '88 Ford Escort and enjoy that better parking space. However, given that they are changing the policy to current employees I see it as almost punishing those who very recently purchased a non-Ford and are not able to get another car. The other issue at hand is the extent of the purchase -- a car is a huge investment to most people and not something that can be easily changed, much like if they had decided that people who lived in two-story homes wouldn't be allowed to use the parking lot.
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Originally posted by Hdbngr8:
Originally posted by sigma:
[Lastly, and most importantly, your attempted line of logic is flawed. That particular Ford plant offers an incentive if you drive a Ford. It doesn't claim that you have to drive a Ford in order to work for Ford, just that you'll get better parking if you choose to do so. If Boeing was giving out free airline tickets to its' employees, then it would have every right to dictate that those free tickets were only valid on flights using Boeing equipment.
My real aim was to highlight the fact that large corporations are attempting (and have been successful for some time now) to control how an employee spends his/her time and money while outside of the work environment. I see this as only the beginning, and that Ford will likely take that to the next level. To me it is just a silly way to try and force the employees to buy a Ford product.
Wrong. The employees are not forced to do anything outside of work. They can still work at Ford & drive a different car.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by Hdbngr8:
Originally posted by sigma:
[Lastly, and most importantly, your attempted line of logic is flawed. That particular Ford plant offers an incentive if you drive a Ford. It doesn't claim that you have to drive a Ford in order to work for Ford, just that you'll get better parking if you choose to do so. If Boeing was giving out free airline tickets to its' employees, then it would have every right to dictate that those free tickets were only valid on flights using Boeing equipment.
My real aim was to highlight the fact that large corporations are attempting (and have been successful for some time now) to control how an employee spends his/her time and money while outside of the work environment. I see this as only the beginning, and that Ford will likely take that to the next level. To me it is just a silly way to try and force the employees to buy a Ford product.
Wrong. The employees are not forced to do anything outside of work. They can still work at Ford & drive a different car.
exactly, and like i said before, they're lucky to have free parking to begin with. that in itself is a priviledge.
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I think this policy is un-american.
Ford is telling their employees: "You can make a choice, but if you choose one that doesn't make us money, you need to suffer."
What about the handicap spots? That's a legal thing, isn't it? What if a handicapped person drives a non-Ford?
Plus, what are the odds that a UAW worker will go out and buy a Ford based on this policy, just so they don't have to walk as far?
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Ford is telling their employees: "You can make a choice, but if you choose one that doesn't make us money, you need to suffer."
Since Ford employees buy cars at what amounts to actual cost, they aren't making any money anyways.
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What about the handicap spots? That's a legal thing, isn't it? What if a handicapped person drives a non-Ford?
Obviously federal law supercedes a company policy. But I imagine the number of handicap spots at an automobile factory is rather small.
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Plus, what are the odds that a UAW worker will go out and buy a Ford based on this policy, just so they don't have to walk as far?
Not very. That's kinda the point. This isn't a "You didn't buy a Ford you can't work here" policy. It's a "We recognize we haven't made the greatest decisions as of late, we'd like to reward those that have continued to support the company you work for".
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Plus, what are the odds that a UAW worker will go out and buy a Ford based on this policy, just so they don't have to walk as far?
It wont happen, but Im sure it will have an influence on their next car choice.
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I think it's sacrilege when Pepsi canners drink Coca-cola.
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If I were an employee I'd tell Ford to [censored] off, sell whatever I had and buy a Honda and park wherever I can. I can't believe dom. automakers have stooped to guilt trips than building the better car.
At least those employees get excercise too lol.
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I work for Chrysler, at the plant where they make the 300, Magnum, and Charger. Yet I drive a Contour, and park as close to the front as possible. If a policy such as this were introduced at our plant, i would be very upset.
I cant afford a new 300, magnum, or charger otherwise I would buy one in a heartbeat. In terms of used Chyrslers, well, i think most of them look ugly. (i.e. older generation intrepids, caravans, etc). I think my contour looks way better...
If I was forced to buy a Chyrsler vehicle, I would buy the biggest POS rusted up K-Car i could find, come 10 mins early, and park at the very front everyday!
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