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I'm surprised nobody has posted about it yet: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4650788.stmhttp://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/41E37E72-0F01-42C5-BC8D-D5334A15C75B.htmWhat amazes me is that the press and half the planet is acting surprised about it. The PLO has been sitting on their asses bickering while Hamas has been doing grass-roots work; patroling neighborhoods to help keep some semblace of law and order, delivering medical aid and food to the needy, etc., etc. I remember reading an article 2 years back on how Hamas went from a bunch of unorganized thugs to Palestinian heros who picked up doing social services (i.e., organized thugs who are learning to play politics)... Right or wrong, people vote for who helps them most, regardless if they are bona fida terrorists or something else. The Israel/Palistinian mess just became very interesting again.
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My bro made an interesting comment tonight. He said it's possible violence might subside in Israel/Palestine because the radicals on the Palestinian side now have a more coherent political voice/organization. Certainly an optimistic viewpoint, but not outlandish.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
My bro made an interesting comment tonight. He said it's possible violence might subside in Israel/Palestine because the radicals on the Palestinian side now have a more coherent political voice/organization. Certainly an optimistic viewpoint, but not outlandish.
I thought the same thing, although the Hamas spokesman saying that they don't believe that they need to disarm as a terrorist organization just because they got an elected majority doesn't fill my heart with glee.
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Originally posted by JaTo:
I'm surprised nobody has posted about it yet:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4650788.stm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/41E37E72-0F01-42C5-BC8D-D5334A15C75B.htm
What amazes me is that the press and half the planet is acting surprised about it. The PLO has been sitting on their asses bickering while Hamas has been doing grass-roots work; patroling neighborhoods to help keep some semblace of law and order, delivering medical aid and food to the needy, etc., etc. I remember reading an article 2 years back on how Hamas went from a bunch of unorganized thugs to Palestinian heros who picked up doing social services (i.e., organized thugs who are learning to play politics)...
Right or wrong, people vote for who helps them most, regardless if they are bona fida terrorists or something else.
The Israel/Palistinian mess just became very interesting again.
Sounds similar to AIAI in the HOA. As you said though, people support the ones that 'give back to them.' And the recievers typically ignore the militant side of the organization.
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I tend to care less and less about the Middle East as each day goes by. I would just like to get our troops home. Oh, and our dependence on their oil ceasing to exist would be number two on my list of wishes. Then we can leave them and their cesspool all to themselves. 
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Originally posted by Kokopellian:
I tend to care less and less about the Middle East as each day goes by. I would just like to get our troops home. Oh, and our dependence on their oil ceasing to exist would be number two on my list of wishes. Then we can leave them and their cesspool all to themselves.
The less we care, the more chance of a repeat 9/11.
Unless you consider ignorance to be bliss ...
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Originally posted by 98 SE:
Originally posted by Kokopellian:
I tend to care less and less about the Middle East as each day goes by. I would just like to get our troops home. Oh, and our dependence on their oil ceasing to exist would be number two on my list of wishes. Then we can leave them and their cesspool all to themselves.
The less we care, the more chance of a repeat 9/11.
Unless you consider ignorance to be bliss ...
Ignorance being bliss has nothing to do with it. There would have never been a 9/11 in the first place had we not been so embedded in their business over there.
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Originally posted by Kokopellian:
There would have never been a 9/11 in the first place had we not been so embedded in their business over there.
We wouldn't have been embedded in their business over there if their business over there wasn't our business.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Kokopellian:
There would have never been a 9/11 in the first place had we not been so embedded in their business over there.
We wouldn't have been embedded in their business over there if their business over there wasn't our business.
Exactly my point. We need to stop making their business our business. It's obvious the relationship is detrimental to us. Watch and wait, once the oil runs out we won't have near as many problems with them if any at all. It's a conflict of interest. Our beliefs don't mesh with theirs. However, we NEED their oil right now so we have to deal with what comes.
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