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#1489182 02/01/06 02:46 PM
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Yes, I did. Hence why I'm following suit.


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Hmmmmm so in that case a 3L swapped in in the same situation should put out more power. Honestly I'm just curious what the T28 would do on a 3L. I know there is a 3L kit for a reason. It doesn't seem like the extra power is put to good use though. Why add the extra power when you can't put it to the ground anyway unless you just want to impress people with numbers?


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Originally posted by Blackcoog:
So what is the real difference between using a T28 kit vs a T3/T4 kit?

I was talking to ADC and using the T28 kit with 42lb injectors and a 255 walbro pump has netted them 320fwhp.



The T28 is limited in airflow significantly compared to the moderate size and up T3/4's.

ADC did NOT get 320 wheels from a T28 kit. They best numbers they made were 300.8FWHP & 287.6FWTQ on race fuel and it was at the limit of the timing curve to get it. The turbo was stalling badly and the intercooler in the kit was grossly undersized for those power levels. (I have the dyno run)

The intercooler in the T28 kit is two small for a T3/4. Proof of that is in back to back testing on Chris's new engine (with a T3/4 57 trim IIRC) by changing the intercooler alone it picked up over 30 FWHP/TQ at the wheels. (roughly 390 vs 360 to quote max power) However it did this throughout the entire powerband. Then again I had always "naysayed" the intercooler in the kit was tiny! (Tom uses a much larger core on his 3L btw )


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So is the intercooler in the 3L kit any larger or is it the same one which is still undersized?


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Originally posted by Blackcoog:
So is the intercooler in the 3L kit any larger or is it the same one which is still undersized?




Its larger. It flows about 700 cfm.


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Originally posted by warmonger:
Originally posted by Stazi:
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Hey...did ya see what I got on a bone stock 3L....

Huh, Dija???



yeah...nice


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Well, just to put it in perspective.

A 3L engine bone stock with just a cheap, properly sized t3/4 turbo, basic intercooler, and the stock ~6 pound spring in the wastegate will allow you to throw down 300 wheel horsepower basically any time and anywhwhere! This is on the crappiest gas you can find too.

That T28 will be huffing out 14 pounds of boost on race gas with ice in the intercooler tank to make over 300 wheel horsepower....and ball bearing T28 cost a bunch more too!
Hell, just putting a bigger turbo on the 2.5L can do the same thing but you'd need about 9-10psi in order to do it.

The thing I've been saying for years now is to make a plan with proper goals. Then use the most direct and cost effective plan to get your goal. Ideally do it in stages if money or time is an issue so that you can actually get some usage out of the car after each mod you do. You'll be able to iron out bugs in the setup easier and be more satisfying.............rather than just pulling an SVTProdigy and going for the Gold on your first time through, and not even placing in the finish.


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I think I can back this statement up:

T3/T4 hybrid "ebay special" running on a 2.5L SVT engine with a completely blown piston. You have seen the pictures ... haven't you? No, here you go:



Basically, a 2.5L engine running on 5 cylinders and she still put down 220whp! Now imagine running on all 6

For the record, I couldn't get the car to boost over 4.5psi. Not sure it that is because all the boost was leaking past that cylinder or because of the crappy wastegate design. Regardless, she ran like SH!T on 5 cylinders with minimal boost and still managed decent numbers considering.

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Well, did YOU do the dyno or was that what the company said it dyno'd at? It may have been getting something out of that cylinder when it dyno'd 220. Maybe not.
I would expect it to still be able to fire under boost since the pistons was still reasonably whole though.
The turbo was cramming in more air than could escape past the wrecked piston.


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