Originally posted by Ray:
An Iron Cross makes you WISH you could go back to 40lb curls.
I've done a few of those back in HS (80 Olympics were on), and yes they took every bit of strength & concentration I could muster. I was a bit brute-ish back then. I could also pull off at least 5 hand stand push ups on the parallel bars before I lost balance. Remember the push up contest between the Russians & US athletes??
Now I'm fat, flabby, old, & fragile. Don't hurt me... 
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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