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Originally posted by Rara:
Originally posted by MadMerc97:
How am I illogical?
Is this a rhetorical question? I mean, the vast majority of your posts are pretty illogical.
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The SRT actually has the CUBES to show for it's power. Oh wait, don't start telling me that you'd rather have a blown 5.4L than a blown 6.1L?
Who said anything about a Blown 6.1L?? Chrysler certainly hasn't. Don't get me wrong, higher displacement is nice, but but a blower goes a long way to easily cover a gap of 0.7L displacement.
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See the reason why I actually make sense is this: the 6.1L already makes 425 horsepower and 420 lb/ft of torque out of the box with absolutely ZERO modifications. That 5.4L comes a little short of that.
Umm, no. The 5.4L installed in the GT500 is rated at 450hp. I may not be the best at math, but the last time I checked, 450hp > 425hp and 450#ft > 420#ft.
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Of course if you could find a single vehicle Ford sells that comes with a 400-something horsepower 5.4L without a blower or mods, I'd like to see it.
How can you classify a factory designed supplied and installed supercharger in the same boat as an aftermarket modification? Are you really that dense? Do you consider the Subaru WRX to come "modded" from the factory?
And fwiw, Ford did have a naturally aspirated 5.4L application six years ago that made 385hp off the showroom floor.
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The fact is, the modular V8s are a bunch of pansies without blowers. you heard me right.
Wow, wild accusations and speculation from you? I am so surprised. Need I mention the numerous 320hp 4.6L applications of the modular engine?
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Not so over in the Mopar or GM camp. Just to prove my point, have you taken a gander at the police vehicle comparison tests being conducted as we speak? Yeah look at that, those 4.6L Ford P71s are having trouble keeping pace with the V6 Chargers and Magnums. I'm not even going to talk about how badly the 5.7L Chargers whooped the Crown Vics ass. So please tell me, why are your fabled modular V8s are so magnificent?
Hmm, well, you may have noticed that the Ford CVPI currently uses the lowest output variant of the 4.6L being produced; and it still dramatically outsells the competition to police depts. Ford has discussed the option of offering the 320hp version of the 4.6L 4V in the CVPI, and frankly, the police depts weren't interested (individual officers may have been, but the depts weren't). So, in the end, who is really whooping up on who in the Police Intercepter market?
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Blah. But with a blower, the 5.4L is pretty nice, although certainly not my style of engine.
Wow, that means a lot coming from you; not.
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Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
Originally posted by CLASSVT:
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They expected 30% to go for the V8 and 70% to go for the V6 and it ended up vise versa, stupid, period 
Yeah it was really stupid for them to base their numbers on the sales trends of
EVERY SINGLE MODEL MUSTANG EVER BUILT. What were they thinking.  I haven't checked but I would bet the V6 still heavily outsells the GT, and not because of limited quantity. There is probably just a minor shift in demand.
Well, lemme see, the car looks great w/ its cool, retro styling and the base price of the V8 is $25K, hmm, I think 3 out of 10 will buy it, yeah, yeah, thats it  Are you serious with the above statement 
His statement is true. Every Mustang previously had a production allocation of between 70 and 75% V6s and 25 to 30% V8s (when applicable of course). Initial allocation of the 2005 was upped a small amount over normal to 68/32.
The "cool retro looks" are the same between the V6 and the V8 so that doesn't explain any rush to buy the V8 over the V6. The price difference between the V6 and the V8 wasn't significantly different than previous years, so it's not like people were going with the GT because it was so much cheaper than before or something. So why would this new one be any different than the countless others before it for the past 50 years? There was zero reason to expect the sudden shift in demand. And it's not like the shift was that great. Just having a production allocation a percent or two off can create shortages. It was a minor hiccup in demand is all which sorted itself out within just a few months for most areas.
And then of course there's the fact that knowingly shorting the market is great for business. Cutting the production allocation just a couple percentage points creates market shortages, allowing you to easily get away with MSRP and creates copious amounts of free press. Lost sales are few and far between since most people are going to wait since there's no alternative fif you're looking at that market.
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Oh yeah, his statement is true as is yours about shorting the market being good business sense, sure enough, but they've got ONE PISSED OFF enthusist here  I may be one, but..but...butt...oh well, once my lease is up on the Crossfire and I get my EVO I could care less about them
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Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
Oh yeah, his statement is true as is yours about shorting the market being good business sense, sure enough, but they've got ONE PISSED OFF enthusist here I may be one, but..but...butt...oh well, once my lease is up on the Crossfire and I get my EVO I could care less about them
Roger,
Marketing and business analysts always look at the past to try to predict the future. If there is a problem, they make adjustments, but it wouldn't have made good business sense to market a signficantly different ration of v6 to v8 engines. The last GT wasn't signficantly more expensive than a v6 model but they V6 still wildly outsold the v8 model. If what you are saying is true (V8s outselling V6s), then they may have made a bad decision in retrospect. Then again, bid demand for a V8 can be accounted for and in the process, doesn't hurt car values for dealers..
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I read this whole thread and guys take it easy, yes we all have different opinions but I kinda like the GT500 myself, sure coulda changed a few things but still nice. They shoulda put the lights in the grill like the GT. 
Painted the skirts and valances body color like stated before, if I had the money I'd probably buy one.
Edit: I also agree about the wheels ugly needs different ones, maybe the spinners from the GT.
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Wow the white looks just as hawt!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
Oh yeah, his statement is true as is yours about shorting the market being good business sense, sure enough, but they've got ONE PISSED OFF enthusist here I may be one, but..but...butt...oh well, once my lease is up on the Crossfire and I get my EVO I could care less about them
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Madmerc said alot of things wrong but his point about modular vs pushrod engines is valid in at least one way. Compare NA modular applications with those of the current pushrod competition: Chevy Small block LS2 6.0 400 HP - 66.6 HP/Liter Ls7 7.0 505 HP - 72.14 HP/Liter DCX Hemi Hemi 5.7 340 HP - 59.64 HP/Liter Hemi 6.1 425 HP - 69.67 HP/Liter Ford NA Modular 4.6 SOHC 300 HP - 65.21 HP/Liter 4.6 DOHC 320 HP - 69.56 HP/Liter 5.4 SOHC 300 HP - 55.5 HP/Liter 5.4 DOHC 385 HP - 71.29 HP/Liter  So isn't the point of an OHC engine to make more power with less displacement? Except for the Cobra R engine the NA Modulars make LESS specific output than the pushrod engines! I hope that's not Ford's idea of "built for the road ahead". There is however a glimmer of Hope in the 5.0 Cammer engine: 5.0 DOHC 420 HP - 84 HP/Liter I hope Ford takes the rest of the modulars in a similar direction. Bore the 5.4 out to 6.0L so it can make 400+ horsepower. Or decide to actually produce the 427 Hurricane V8
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