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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
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This is the last time I bring it up I promise :-)..
John, is saying you have black skin and I have white skin racist? If 'Redskins' is so racist why hasn't Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow coalition fought for it?
And yes, my G-men got their asses handed to them. Hopefully, Eli doesn't emulate his brother in the post-season down the road.
John is saying what?  And the reason Jesse and the Rainbow Coalition haven't fought for Indians is due to the fact that his organization doesn't give a damn about the Native American cause. Jesse Jackson is a joke.
Yeah, the G-Men got whooped! Must run in the Manning family. We'll see how Indianapolis does. They've got a lot on their mind so it won't be surprising if they're not focused. Is Dungy back coaching yet?
I'm glad you see Jesse for what he is... :-)
I believe Dungy came back last Monday; hopefully this will give the Colts the extra 'umph' to make it through the playoffs.
Yep, Jesse, Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, etc. Are all freakin' pimps of the people. The can all KMA.
Glad to hear that about Dungy. Hopefully it will give them the umph they need. Such a tragedy though. You're at the height of your career with one of the best records/teams in the history of the sport and this falls upon you. Man, life can sure suck! 
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Originally posted by Kokopellian:
I bought up racism in my post by calling out a name that offends people of a certain ethnic group. I'm choosing to drop it because I started the topic and you're not debating it intelligently enough for me to continue educating you. Also, by implying that I'm "complaining" about injustices that I think are racist shows you have no concern nor can even fathom the issue. Couple that with the fact that your best debate tactic is to result in calling me and yourself a tool and you can see why this is well over your head. Therefore, you don't get to play. Now go off and ignore me. The time alone might do you some good. Don't hurt yourself. 
Wow, very intelligent response to my follow up. I am very impressed with your general knowledge of....things. I assumed you were of lower intelligence, like myself, but I was wrong. Thank you for letting me know of your intelligence.
I respect that you feel the name of the NFL franchise in Washington DC is of racist orgin, however, I originally responded to your original proclamation in the same basic tone of your post.
What has happened to the american indian in this country is terrible and criminal, but it happened a long time ago. Nothing you or I or anyone else really have anything to do with what happened in history past, but we can help to change how things are done in the present to ensure and safeguard all citizens of this country in the future. On the list of priorities to better the atrocities against the native americans of this country, simply changing the name of a sports team offers very little to making their lives better.
If I am a native american in this country and I can't get a decent job, pay my bills, etc., do you really think changing the name of a football team is going to make me feel any better? Probably not.
Let me ask you this question. If the Washington Redskins were owned by an american indian, would the name still be racist, or is this another example of since Dan Snyder is White, it is offensive.
Out of curiosity, how many native americans do you know personally that find the name Redskins-specific to the Washington Redskins and not the 'phrase' redskins, truly offensive. Is it 1, 5, 100 native americans, or do you assume they are really offended because you read it somewhere, or heard it on the 'news'. Either way, I'm just curious as to the source of your view of the name being racist. I know only one native american, well actually a few, and none of them care at all. Does this make me right or wrong? Neither, it is an opinoin and it is difficult to debate opinoins.
Awaiting your response-
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How much native american do I need to have in me if I want to be offended by the name?
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From what I've heard from fellow Native Americans (I was born and raised on a reservation and am in the American Indian Science and Engineering Society at school) is that about half or so are mad about the Redskins, Indians, Fighting Sioux, and all the other names out there. To me it is no big deal. I find it kind of cool to have the names there just to remind people that we are still around. Most of the people that are offended by the names are really mad about the logos. The Cleveland Indians logo makes Indians look silly and dumb. The Redskins logo at least makes a Native look respectful.
If your more interested in the topic look around on the internet about the battle the University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux is going through right now.
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Originally posted by skrilla187:
From what I've heard from fellow Native Americans (I was born and raised on a reservation and am in the American Indian Science and Engineering Society at school) is that about half or so are mad about the Redskins, Indians, Fighting Sioux, and all the other names out there. To me it is no big deal. I find it kind of cool to have the names there just to remind people that we are still around. Most of the people that are offended by the names are really mad about the logos. The Cleveland Indians logo makes Indians look silly and dumb. The Redskins logo at least makes a Native look respectful.
If your more interested in the topic look around on the internet about the battle the University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux is going through right now.
The most educated and thought out response yet. Totally agree with you.
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I have do disagree with John based on the studies/polls I've read.
U of PA poll of Native Americans from every state except AK and HI:
..an overwhelming majority of them are not bothered by the name of the Washington Redskins.
Only 9 percent of those polled said the name of the NFL team is ââ?¬Å?offensive,'ââ?¬â?¢ while 90 percent said itââ?¬â?¢s acceptable.
Peter Harris Research:
Here's the most important finding: "Asked if high school and college teams should stop using Indian nicknames, 81 percent of Native American respondents said no. As for pro sports, 83 percent of Native American respondents said teams should not stop using Indian nicknames, mascots, characters, and symbols."
S. L. Price reaches the obvious conclusion:
Although Native American activists are virtually united in opposition to the use of Indian nicknames and mascots, the Native American population sees the issue far differently.
The larger question is this:
Is no awareness better than having 10-15% of Native Americans offended?
That's the debate. Take FSU as a perfect example. The Sioux tribe strongly supports the name and is actively involved with the university. Why is the NCAA overstepping it's bounds and attempting to force a name change? Get real. Stop wasting time and focus on much bigger issues such as graduation rates, grades, under the table money, recruiting violations, steroids, athletic leniency, drugs, alcohol, etc. etc. It's just another example of an organization trying to do something rather than tackle real issues.
IMHO, if the logo, mascot, celebrations, etc. are done tastefully, let it go.
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Originally posted by skrilla187:
..University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux ..
LUX ET LEX. Go Fighting Sioux!
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