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I feel Guilty, Oh so guilty
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Originally posted by GTO Pete:
A few QBs in the last 15 years worth nothing:
Dan Marino
John Elway
Brett Favre
Steve Young
Jim Kelly
Troy Aikman
Kurt Warner
Peyton Manning
Donavan McNabb
Warren Moon
I would take any of those QBs in their prime over Brady. Easily.
(And Brady doesn't even make my top 25 QBs of all-time.)
IMO using Super Bowl rings as the measuring stick for being the "best" QB is ludicrous. You would exclude some of the greatest QBs in NFL history. 
At what point do you start considering Brady top 25? There was a book published recently that had him in the top 20 based on interviews/conversations with former players, coaches, analysts, writers. When the author was asked why he was ranked that high, he said it was because he only had played 5 years and if he had 10 years under his belt he would be in the top 10 on nearly everyone's list that he talked to.
Anyway, I think rings are as important as stats, but not mroe important. Being a leader is vital to being a good QB. Jeff George could throw a ball as well, or likely better than every one of the people you mentioned but never translated that to effective QBing because he was a headcase with no leadership.
So, you would choose all of those guys over Brady which is ok, but justify it. Oh and you can't say "in their prime" if their prime was not in the last 15 years (like Marino). Would you reall have taken the 90s version of Marino over Brady?
If rings aren't that important, what is? If it's stats, which ones? If it's intangibles, do your best to describe them.
I can understand a couple of the names you have listed. But McNabb, Kelly, Moon, and Warner? Come on. Can we at least remove them from this discussion. If rings aren't that important Aikman can't be in the discussion either.
"If you are flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit"
-Mitch Hedberg
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Originally posted by Lebowski316:
redskins absolutly rocked the first half but really slipped up during the second. that last minute interception saved them imo. looking forward to the next wildcard game (about to start). go jags! (avid patriot hater here) 
~Andrew
aaahhhh, too bad!
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Originally posted by GTO Pete:
A few QBs in the last 15 years worth nothing:
Dan Marino
John Elway
Brett Favre
Steve Young
Jim Kelly
Troy Aikman
Kurt Warner
Peyton Manning
Donavan McNabb
Warren Moon
I would take any of those QBs in their prime over Brady. Easily.
(And Brady doesn't even make my top 25 QBs of all-time.)
IMO using Super Bowl rings as the measuring stick for being the "best" QB is ludicrous. You would exclude some of the greatest QBs in NFL history.
Are you kidding me, look at this story, and this was written 12 months ago.
http://64.91.242.40/Article.php?Page=120
How can you say a QB that has one over 70% of his games, has never, NEVER lost a post season game, has never, NEVER lost a game with the temp below 40. He also has (I think) the most 4th quarter comebacks in the NFL.
And yes rings do matter, that's what the whole purpose of the season is. What's the use of throwing for 10,000 yards and 70 touchdowns if you never win a ring. Brady already has more than Manning will have in his career. And Brady is only 28. He will probably have like 6-7 by the time he is done.
I would take Brady over Manning any day. Dare tell me something that Manning does better than Brady (and no, losing big games does not count).
Bill Jenkins
Team Ford, Internet Parts Dept.
5445 Drexel Rd.
Las Vegas, NV 89130
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If only the Bucs offense would have played better defense... 
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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I feel Guilty, Oh so guilty
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I feel Guilty, Oh so guilty
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Manning is a better play caller (audibles more effectively). He is a more accurate passer. He is better at setting passing records. I really have no doubt that Manning's lack of success in the playoffs is not a talent, work ethic, or mental thing. I believe it's simply a system/defensive thing. And their defense looks strong this year so I would expect them to win this weekend and I would give them an edge against NE if had to look at that matchup logically. But until NE actually loses a game, I can't see betting against them.
"If you are flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit"
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