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This thread is going the WRONG way and FAST. There are a couple things that shouldn't be talked about on the boards...Politics & Religion. <--Why weren't these addressed in the forum rules!!!
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Originally posted by sigma:
Though I personally don't currently smoke any, I would say that definitely more than 1 in 10 and maybe even close to 20% of those I know do. And the people I associate with would hardly be considered slackers. I doubt any of them would be considered anything less than upper-middle class if I had to put a label on it. They're all various working professionals - engineers, programmers, executives, etc.
Last time I was visiting a couple of friends in NYC, joints were passed around like they were beers. And these are definitely yuppies working in the high-tech, publishing, and entertainment industries.
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There's nothing much different from Pot and Alcohol.
Both have detrimental effects to your awareness, both have addictive properties depending on the person, both have been used since the dawn of civilization.
Yet one vice is legal and the other isn't, and quite arbitrarily at that.
Legalize marijuana already. So companies will produce it, and its safer to use because of regulations, government gets more money from taxes and saves money from wrongfully imprisoning normal pot smokers.
I honestly cannot understand why they don't do this.
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
im not saying that marijuana doesnt have any negative effects, it does, but they are much less than cigarretes or alchohol when used on an equal level.
Actually, from the studies I've read, smoking one joint is the equivalent of I believe 4 to 8 cigarettes, as far as your lungs are concerned.
Originally posted by svt4stv:
as far as stoned people not making any sense, that's just plain dumb. ive been around many, many people who were stoned and they werent crawling on the floor like drunk-arse idiots 
Drunk or stoned, you still act like a complete idiot when you're intoxicated with on substance or the other. I rarely drink, but realize that I will act like an idiot when I do, and take full responsibility for anything I may say or do while intoxicated. I had a major lung operation when I was 12, so I never felt the desire to inhale cigarette or pot smoke, and have a possible lung malfunction because of it. I have family members, and some friends that do it, and I can almost always tell when they are. I honestly don't know anyone who smokes weed because they like the taste. They do it for the buzz, which alters your mindset. If you're cool with the thought of a guy that just smoked a joint, driving your loved ones around, then you've got issues.
And svt4stv, this was not all directed towards you. 
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All this Jesus talk calls for a little mood music... 
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I'm a fairly rabid vinophile and historical research bears out that what was considered wine close to 2,000 years ago is VASTLY different in alcoholic strength and makeup as compared with what wine is considered today.
From historical record, most "wines" of quality in the older days were known to be little more than juice reductions (i.e., fruit boiled down to "sweeten" the flavor). In this case, they had little alcohol content if any. The "rotgut" stuff was typically known for much stronger alcohol content; it would be comparable to a nasty-tasting port or fortified wine of today.
Now, if you know ANYTHING about fermentation and fruits in general, there's enough yeast, mold, bacteria and natural sugars to bring forth a small amount of alcohol content to any fermented fruit. so, outside of a controlled environment, there's little doubt that any fermented wine DID hold the smallest of alcohol content.
Methinks the Lord did put a touch of "spirit" to the grape juice, but I'll not second-guess a guy who can walk on water or turn that water to whatever potency of "wine".
Apparently when miracles are on the table, ALL the laws of physics and chemistry get shelved until they are convienent again.
Oh, and no, I don't think the Last Supper was a case of the "munchies" for a bunch of pot-heads. Cannabis was probably used for it's healing properties, along with a number of other herbs. I know much of Arab medicine was lifted from Roman and Greek culture and greatly expanded upon. Who knows what was smoked in temple incense burners??? Just as there are idiots who sniff paint, I'm sure there were people who misued cannabis in Biblical times, so I seriously doubt Peter, Paul and Mary (NO, not the 60's group, mind you) grew some kick-ass "bud" and had Matthew roll up a few MaryJ's for Jesus to help out during meditation time...
It's uses were probably other than for pure recreational purposes.
That being said, this somehow being used to prop up a habit which tears the s**t out of your lungs, dulls your senses and can possibly give a guy a set of tits over time is a fair bit of weaksauce.
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Wowsers!
I agree with mark, since when did smoking pot past the age of 17 become cool?
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Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by Kyle Miller:
well, this is a car forum, you can find this argument at holyrollerz.org forum, thats where we had this argument before, and somehow, no surpriuse to me, it didnt change anyones opinions, i mean, people without God will always believe whatever they want to, like those who think we came from apes.
The problem with that statement is that abotu 98% of the people that are "with God" still don't believe that the consumption of alcohol is a sin.
Catholics (and since they were the first major group of Christians I'd believe if anyone was going to get it 'right' by the scripture it would be them) believe that not only is the consumption of alcohol not a sin, you consume it as the transubstantiated blood of Christ. That's about as far away from 'drinking alcohol is a sin' as it gets.
Now we are getting into the fun stuff...
What does the Bible say about cannibalism? It's bad, right?
Nobody has EVER explained to me how the concept of transubstantiation is any different than cannibalism and nobody has EVER taken me up on the offer to do a scientific experiment in terms of a fecal study to determine if they are crapping out pieces of a human body.
But of course, allegory is "selectively" applied by denominations as they see fit...
I'd say Catholics have it right more often than not, but some of our (I say our, as I'm half-Catholic, half-Episcopal and entirely reformed Baptist) practices are patently nuts.
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Catholics got it right? Matthew 23:9 Do not call anyone on earth "Father" for only one is this, he who is in Heaven. Yet Catholics call priests father everyday?! Confused?
Jesus also says that vain repititions in prayer will be ignored:
Our father, who art in heaven... this is the majority of what catholics call prayer, not a relationship with God.
As I stated before, this is a car forum, and would like to be able to come here for this reason, and this reason only, so as we continiue to debate this til the end of time, lets just discuss the things we can change.
Personal belifs are just those, personal beliefs. No two people are the same.
I only responded because I take offense to someone posting perversions about something as Holy as God.
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You seriously crack me up.
What denomination does your Christian-based faith stem from? If you say anything other than Catholicism, you're full of it.
Let me guess, everytime I've called my Dad "father", I've sinned against the Almighty, right? Learn a bit about "context", "allegorical writing" and "non-literal interpretation". Furthermore, if you knew squat about Catholicism, you'd know that priests supposedly channel through to God, so when one addresses a priest in a manner of prayer, they are talking to God through the priest...
I'm not saying I buy it in it's entirety, but there's a lot of things about organized religion I don't fully subscribe to.
Finally, I seem to recall that religo-legal simpletons that couldn't see the "forest for the trees" in the older days didn't hold high regard in the sight of Christ, either.
As I've constantly claimed, the Pharisees are far from an extinct abomination in Christianity...
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