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Originally posted by loggerbomb:
now what if the terrorists are american citizens?
Give them a fair trial and sentence them, if found guilty, the way they did in the good ole' days: Execution.
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Originally posted by Davo:
You still didn't answer the question. I think you're not answering it is because you think terrorists, who are not American citizens, are afforded the same rights as Americans, which is not true (well, it may be partially true now with some of the legislation and court rulings which will hopefully be overturned).
Um. Wow. The level of ignorance you just displayed is AWESOME.
If a foreign national breaks the law in the US, that person is tried and punished according to our law. Same as you would be if you broke a law in another country. After they serve that sentence, they are deported.
Wow. You are so ignorant.
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I REALLY don't like the fact that this type of activity took place in the fashion that it did, though I can perhaps understand what led the Oval Office towards this decision (made only weeks after 9/11, from the stories that I've read)...
Even though it sounds like the White House tightly policed themselves on how they used this, the SIC (Senate Intelligence Committee) was NOT informed about this activity (from what I've read), which bugs the Hell out of me. I don't care how you cut it, if the Executive branch is going to pull a wild-card out of it's sleeve and "cheat the system" a bit, no matter how good the cause or how warranted it may be, I want the SIC in the Legislative Branch to sign off on it, at a bloody minimum. What the CIA and other intelligence groups do overseas and through mediums that hold no legal controls over them is a different matter; what is done here within the US by ANY agency or group that is charged with protecting ALL clauses of the US Constitution is NOT.
What it boils down to is that the Executive Branch just authorized itself as the sole power to dictate uncontrolled and potentially unmonitored wiretaps inside the US on it's own citizens. While I would hazard a guess that most citizens have little to hide from the US government, the fact that the White House set themselves up as "judge, jury an executioner" on this is pretty damn-close to being a textbook definition of Fascist activity: too close for my comfort.
I'll go to bat for Bush over a LOT of his decisions that he's made since 9/11, but this one is pure BS. It's a gross over-extension and abuse of the powers vested to the Executive Branch and there better be a f**king investigation into it that has some teeth. I will not lambast him completely for this as this latest "news flash" is in it's infantcy, but there better be some damn-solid excuses coming from the White House on WHY they did not go to the SIC or some other authority for a co-signature on this...
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Originally posted by loggerbomb:
You give me one example of the U.S. defending Canada. Canada was not really a part of the cold war, that was between you (USA) and USSR. Dont mix american political stances with canadian ones. The last time we were actively in a conflict was in korea.
The reason you weren't a part of the Cold War is because we were. You had absolutely nothing to worry about because you fell under our nuclear umbrella, a benefit you receive simply because you exist on the same continent as us. Please don't post anything else on this subject, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
Oh, and you were in the Persian Gulf War.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by loggerbomb:
You give me one example of the U.S. defending Canada. Canada was not really a part of the cold war, that was between you (USA) and USSR. Dont mix american political stances with canadian ones. The last time we were actively in a conflict was in korea.
The reason you weren't a part of the Cold War is because we were. You had absolutely nothing to worry about because you fell under our nuclear umbrella, a benefit you receive simply because you exist on the same continent as us. Please don't post anything else on this subject, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
Oh, and you were in the Persian Gulf War.
Are you kidding? Canada has been crucial to our national defense for years. Especially during the Cold War.
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Originally posted by Beowulf:
Um. Wow. The level of ignorance you just displayed is AWESOME.
Wow. You are so ignorant.
There is no lamer response than "you are so ignorant". Just so you know, you look like a jackass when you say that. 
Originally posted by Beowulf:
If a foreign national breaks the law in the US, that person is tried and punished according to our law. Same as you would be if you broke a law in another country. After they serve that sentence, they are deported.
I'm not sure what your point is here, we weren't talking about foreign nationals in the US (well, maybe we were, but you didn't answer when I asked who you were referring to).
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Originally posted by Beowulf:
Are you kidding? Canada has been crucial to our national defense for years. Especially during the Cold War.
 This response needs more explanation.
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lol davo, i shouldnt post because I dont know what I am talking about? Please, i know just about as much as you and well, even that might not be saying alot in itself.
as for the gulf war i believe we were there as part of the UN, that is quite different than saying we were there as canadians.
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Originally posted by loggerbomb:
The last time we were actively in a conflict was in korea.
Originally posted by loggerbomb:
lol davo, i shouldnt post because I dont know what I am talking about? Please, i know just about as much as you and well, even that might not be saying alot in itself.
as for the gulf war i believe we were there as part of the UN, that is quite different than saying we were there as canadians.
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and you say other people should explain more?
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