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Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
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Move to Canada, you don't deserve to be an American with that attitude.

But way to go. You used your right to free speech to show how much of a moron you are.

Do you realize it is not a matter of "nothing to hide"?






You know what? Shut the [censored] [censored]. You have absolutly no right to tell me that I don't deserve to be an american. I will probably get banned, but who really cares. Yes, I am obviously a moron because I agree with the goverment. They don't go and spy on everyone, nor do they just go and spy on random people. The people that they spy on probably have a good reason to be watched. I am using my freedom of speech to say you are an idiot. Btw, I am pretty sure personal attacks are against the rules, clown.



..i agree with you doug...but you shouldnt get so worked up over what some liberal tree huging hippee has to say about you,just let him stay up there in the pacific northwest were him and his anti-gov bf's can join some ghey ass compound..


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oh man cmon, that is so uncalled for!


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Originally posted by tour96se:

..i agree with you doug...but you shouldnt get so worked up over what some liberal tree huging hippee has to say about you,just let him stay up there in the pacific northwest were him and his anti-gov bf's can join some ghey ass compound..




HAHAHAA

I speak in support of our freedoms and I am a "liberal tree hugging hippee (sic)"?

What a joke. Actually, I am a very centrist gun owner that believes in freedom of religion, but supremacy of none. I believe that trees need to be cut down to keep our economy going. However, the industry does need to be regulated to make sure they replant and do not over use those lands. I believe that we do need to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, and I support more use of nuclear fuels for electrical production.

However, until a car is made that is moderatley priced and in the same size range as my Contour with decent power, I am not interested in buying a hybrid.

I despise what Republicans and Democrats do to this country in the name of political expediency. However, political upstarts like that wacko Nader are NOT the answer.

Drugs should be legal, too. But I do not and would not use them.

Oh, and way to show some class by tossing homosexuality in there. Nice way to show what a closeted small minded person you are.


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Originally posted by Beowulf:
Politics ought to be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage.
Dwight D. Eisenhower



True that. Hence why the "apathetics" piss me off as well.

Beowulf, I think it's safe to say that I agree with everything you've said in this thread so far. Nothing rubs me the wrong way about our current state of government so much as the Patriot Act. I dissent on only one point: I won't go so far as to say I hate anyone personally because of their beliefs, but people who feel certain ways about certain things disgust me.

I think that under Bush's administration, our current state of government is less "American" than it ever has been. The Republicans are supposed to be proponents of smaller government, and that is one of a few topics on which I absolutely agree with them. Whatever happened to that idea? Instead of lessening governmental power, the government now has the power to spy on the actions of every private citizen, and they call it the war against terrorism. I say bullsh*t. Our right to privacy may not be implicitly stated in the Bill of Rights, but it's implied. Also, Roe v. Wade established a huge precendent in regards to citizens' right to privacy, and I have to say I strongly agree with that (even though I am anti-abortion). This country is headed in entirely the wrong direction.


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Originally posted by tour96se:
Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
Originally posted by Beowulf:


Move to Canada, you don't deserve to be an American with that attitude.

But way to go. You used your right to free speech to show how much of a moron you are.

Do you realize it is not a matter of "nothing to hide"?






You know what? Shut the [censored] [censored]. You have absolutly no right to tell me that I don't deserve to be an american. I will probably get banned, but who really cares. Yes, I am obviously a moron because I agree with the goverment. They don't go and spy on everyone, nor do they just go and spy on random people. The people that they spy on probably have a good reason to be watched. I am using my freedom of speech to say you are an idiot. Btw, I am pretty sure personal attacks are against the rules, clown.



..i agree with you doug...but you shouldnt get so worked up over what some liberal tree huging hippee has to say about you,just let him stay up there in the pacific northwest were him and his anti-gov bf's can join some ghey ass compound..


Beowulf...liberal?!

Maybe try going back and reading the rest of this thread.


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Originally posted by loggerbomb:
let it be known canada is not defended by the USA. We are protected by ourselves and NATO.




As Kremit pointed out, your defense budget is almost nothing. You lived under OUR nuclear umbrella during the Cold War. Your defense budget can be nil because of us. As Kremit also pointed out, the US pretty much is NATO, so you yourself admitted that we protect you. To claim that Canada isn't defended by us is deserving of a Gold Star of Comedy.

As for the "spying". The NYT made it sound as if Bush secretly ordered the random spying of every single American. In reality, we were only monitoring inbound calls to people with known ties to al Qaeda. Several members of the House knew about it, as did Senator Jay Rockefeller, ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Commitee. And as we've now found out, they chose to publish this now because the author has a book coming out in a few months with more information on this. So yes, the left wing media machine is dictating the news cycle in order to sell books once again.

Bush should be applauded for his anti-terrorism measures.

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Thanks, Shotwell!


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Originally posted by Davo:

Bush should be applauded for his anti-terrorism measures.




Very True!

Since 9-11 there have been no terrorist actions on US soil so I think Bush is doing a great job.




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Originally posted by Beowulf:
Thanks, Shotwell!



It actually took me a minute to post that since I was laughing my ass off!


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Originally posted by shotwell:
Originally posted by Beowulf:
Thanks, Shotwell!



It actually took me a minute to post that since I was laughing my ass off!




I laughed as well. What a crock.


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