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Originally posted by SableSal:
I also heard in order to swap SVT Cams in a 3L you must have a chip to tune the sucker. Also the swap would need timing chain, guides, tensioner, and other misc timing components off of the SVT.
Can anyone direct me to where I can find some more information on this? I am planning on performing this swap.
Thank you,
Sal
If you use SVT cams in the 3L, you need to use all the SVT timing components. The timing chains are specific to the gears on the Cams, and since your using the chains and the cams you have to use the gears on the crank as well. Thats why it's easiest to do the swap with a 3L engine and a SVT engine. And regardless of what cams you use, your going to want to get the engine tuned.
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Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Originally posted by SableSal:
I also heard in order to swap SVT Cams in a 3L you must have a chip to tune the sucker. Also the swap would need timing chain, guides, tensioner, and other misc timing components off of the SVT.
Can anyone direct me to where I can find some more information on this? I am planning on performing this swap.
Thank you,
Sal
If you use SVT cams in the 3L, you need to use all the SVT timing components. The timing chains are specific to the gears on the Cams, and since your using the chains and the cams you have to use the gears on the crank as well. Thats why it's easiest to do the swap with a 3L engine and a SVT engine. And regardless of what cams you use, your going to want to get the engine tuned.
As far as reliability goes, how's the SVT cams going to react with the 3L w/o tuning?
Reason why I ask this, is cause I am planning on swapping these over in Los Angeles. I will be a tad far from home. I would drive the vehicle back home. Once home I would go about tuning the vehicle.
Would I encounter any issues on the way home?
Thanks,
Sal
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Look, just slapping in the cams and nothing else?? That won't hurt anything. THey will still produce some gains but they won't be optimized.
You shouldn't worry about it.
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Originally posted by Jorgen:
ok so just wondering about a little more detail on stock 3.0 v. SVt cams i have a set of svts and am debating on putting them into my 3.0 or selling them...
Basicly the 3.0l cams give a little more low end torque and little less high end hp than the svt cams correct? and the power band for the svts will be higher over all and a littler shorter in the rpm range?
correct me completely if wrong i am just working on this 3.0l stuff to drop into my coug so.
You want the SVT cams. They have a very minor low end loss, but the power band is much broader, making power clear up to red line. The negative is extremely minor and the positive is awsome.
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No, its not that drastic a change...
as for the timing components, you will use the 3.0L timing marks and components for what you are doing. The timing wheel will have 2.5 and 3.0 marks, you will use the 3.0...(for everyone else, I assume sal is using the cams in a 3.0 sable, thus using the 3.0 valve cover and timing components.)
Sal- there is not any info on exactly what your doing. youll have to do some research, and follow it and be smart enough to figure out what information is relivant and what is not-like i did. Like the timing info.
The chip will help you realize the benifits of the cams, but the engine will run fine without any programming.
Are you gonna run svt cams only or heads as well?
Originally posted by SableSal:
Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Originally posted by SableSal:
I also heard in order to swap SVT Cams in a 3L you must have a chip to tune the sucker. Also the swap would need timing chain, guides, tensioner, and other misc timing components off of the SVT.
Can anyone direct me to where I can find some more information on this? I am planning on performing this swap.
Thank you,
Sal
If you use SVT cams in the 3L, you need to use all the SVT timing components. The timing chains are specific to the gears on the Cams, and since your using the chains and the cams you have to use the gears on the crank as well. Thats why it's easiest to do the swap with a 3L engine and a SVT engine. And regardless of what cams you use, your going to want to get the engine tuned.
As far as reliability goes, how's the SVT cams going to react with the 3L w/o tuning?
Reason why I ask this, is cause I am planning on swapping these over in Los Angeles. I will be a tad far from home. I would drive the vehicle back home. Once home I would go about tuning the vehicle.
Would I encounter any issues on the way home?
Thanks,
Sal
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when you say "los angeles" i assume you mean John?  you can be like me and drive to ADC to have it tuned 
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Thanks for the info Brad. No hard feelings BTW. I plan on getting it tuned, but was thinking on getting it tuned out here in CenCal. Also, Im using my stock 3.0L Heads with SVT Cams. Thanks again, Sal Originally posted by the_spy_guy:
No, its not that drastic a change...
as for the timing components, you will use the 3.0L timing marks and components for what you are doing. The timing wheel will have 2.5 and 3.0 marks, you will use the 3.0...(for everyone else, I assume sal is using the cams in a 3.0 sable, thus using the 3.0 valve cover and timing components.)
Sal- there is not any info on exactly what your doing. youll have to do some research, and follow it and be smart enough to figure out what information is relivant and what is not-like i did. Like the timing info.
The chip will help you realize the benifits of the cams, but the engine will run fine without any programming.
Are you gonna run svt cams only or heads as well?
Originally posted by SableSal:
Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Originally posted by SableSal:
I also heard in order to swap SVT Cams in a 3L you must have a chip to tune the sucker. Also the swap would need timing chain, guides, tensioner, and other misc timing components off of the SVT.
Can anyone direct me to where I can find some more information on this? I am planning on performing this swap.
Thank you,
Sal
If you use SVT cams in the 3L, you need to use all the SVT timing components. The timing chains are specific to the gears on the Cams, and since your using the chains and the cams you have to use the gears on the crank as well. Thats why it's easiest to do the swap with a 3L engine and a SVT engine. And regardless of what cams you use, your going to want to get the engine tuned.
As far as reliability goes, how's the SVT cams going to react with the 3L w/o tuning?
Reason why I ask this, is cause I am planning on swapping these over in Los Angeles. I will be a tad far from home. I would drive the vehicle back home. Once home I would go about tuning the vehicle.
Would I encounter any issues on the way home?
Thanks,
Sal
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
when you say "los angeles" i assume you mean John?
you can be like me and drive to ADC to have it tuned
Yes, John will be doing this for me. As I do NOT have the time to do this modification at home. (Nor do I have the room...lol).
ADC eh? Where are they located?? Also how much to have it tuned? Also, am I renting an area for ME to tune it? Or do they tune it for me...
Thanks Steve,
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phoenix Az. they make the one and only turbo kits for our motors and are pretty much the most qualified shop for tuning them. they told me $600 for dyno tune including a custom chip plus an additional $100 for a nitrous program added to it. $200 more if i wanted the xcal2 instead (plus $100 for nitrous).
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phoenix Az. they make the one and only turbo kits for our motors and are pretty much the most qualified shop for tuning them. they told me $600 for dyno tune including a custom chip plus an additional $100 for a nitrous program added to it. $200 more if i wanted the xcal2 instead (plus $100 for nitrous).
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