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Originally posted by todras:
Engine in the DMC-12 was supplied by Volvo.
Actually the Delorean DID have a Renault engine - I've seen one in person. 
All his statements are menutia, though. 
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Originally posted by Stazi:
Actually the Delorean DID have a Renault engine - I've seen one in person.
Looks like we're both right even though it is refered to as a Volvo engine.
The powerplant is usually referred to as a PRV6 which is the european version of the Volvo 6-cylinder sports engine. This engine was developed jointly by Peugot, Renault, and Volvo (hence its name).
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Another point. Who is going to drive for Dodge from the U.S.? Jeff Gordon? LMAO! Don't tell me Dodge is going to get a European driver and use a car with a Dodge badge on the front. That's not going to fly with anyone.
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I'm sure the caliber will be sold under the Chrysler name in Europe just like the neon and other vehicles. I'm not saying DCX can't field a WRC team, I'm just saying that MadMerc97's bold claims are completely without support.
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Originally posted by MadMerc97:
[snip] blah blah blah bs bs bs blah blah blah [/snip]
6. Delorean DMC-12 (Lotus Esprit with Renault V6)
[snip]blah blah blah, more bs bs bs blah blah blah [/snip]
You are so adept at doing the hokey-pokey with various tidbits of information that result in half-truths and blatant lies.
The DeLorean was REAR engined.
The Esprit was MID engined.
Some suspension and chassis components were similar in design but for you to call a DeLorean a Lotus only shows how TRULY ignorant you are. YET AGAIN!!! Go find another internet message board to bother.
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You are telling me that the Delorean DMC-12 had absolutely NO relation to the Esprit? CHeck out this Link proving you wrong. Or this one Linkie. And as for me not being able to back up the development of the Viper engine by Lamborghini... Link A Link B I personally just learned through reading Link B that Lamborghini WAS a division at the time. I'll admit to not knowing that one, but the rest of your claims are utter BS. Besides, minutiae is what I do.... I don't see an issue with a European driver signing on, or even a Japanese driver. You know why? Because the Mitsubishi drivers are LOOKING FOR WORK! Who else better to give them work than DCX, their former employers... I really don't think you guys think things out too well before posting....
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Originally posted by MadMerc97}I don't see an issue with a European driver signing on, or even a Japanese driver. You know why? Because the Mitsubishi drivers are LOOKING FOR WORK! Who else better to give them work than DCX, their former employers...[/quote:
I don't see a problem with it either, but again you're talking about something completely fabricated and unsubstanciated.
Originally posted by MadMerc97:
I really don't think you guys think things out too well before posting....
And posting about a mythical Dodge & Jeep WRC team must have had a lot of forethought didn't it... 
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Originally posted by MadMerc97:
1. Chrysler TC by Maserati
2. Corvette ZR-1 (engine by Lotus)
3. Dodge Viper (Chrysler V10, modified by Lamborghini)
4. Cadillac Catera (badge-engineered Opel Omega)
5. The New-World engines (DCX, Hyundai, Mitsubishi)
6. Delorean DMC-12 (Lotus Esprit with Renault V6)
7. Opel Speedster/Vauxhall VX220 (Lotus Elise w/diff engine)
So really, the "oh they don't own them anymore" argument is a fat load of BS in itself. I think that Dodge and Jeep will finally bring some fresh competition to a series chock-full of retarded versions of Swedish, Spanish, and Japanese cars. I want retarded versions of American cars gosh darnit!
Ok - lets break down this argument:
1. Chrysler owned maser at this point. It also explains why they claimed to have used lambo to modify the viper engine. In fact the only substancial differences between it and the truck engine was block material.
2. The ZR-1 was a farmed out developement project. This is very common practice ummongst manufacturers. Let someone else have the headache - when they have solved the problem we will use their solution. Example: Roush for Ford, etc etc
3. see #1
4. The same car you see in the US as a GM is an Opel in Europe and a vauxhal in the UK - whats your point? Same company = same car.
5. new world engines? or rather powertrain development on a budget 101. If they already build it - lets just buy it. Standard practice in many areas of manufacturing - its called off the shelf and is 95% of the time cheaper than doing it yourself.
6. HA ha - Do I even have to go into this one?
7. I need a flagship fast sports car - do I spend millions developing one - or a few hundred thou buying a design?
you think about it.
Cooperation is a very valid and precise argument, but there have to be many many factors in-line and in agrement before anything of the sort can happen. Your argument that we are saying it doesnt or cannot happen is wrong - it does and it happens a lot. Mitsubishi built Volvo S40's in holland as rebadged mitsu carismas - does that make the car japanese or swedish? cooperation is the lifeblood to manufacturing, you use as much as you can that is already out there, this is the only way to make it competative. you also dont go into battle wearing only your panties because you would die, so why pray tell would you make a car that is not completely engineered for a specific area of performance when your parent company owns a subsidiary who specializes in that area?
And to finish your commentary- does jeep even make a car? Does it even have a model that COULD be WRC legal? NO! it could make a Raid effort for Dakar, but that is proverbial Mitsu and Nissan country and they would get wasted. The last time a mainstream american manufacturer went into competative racing IIRC was the caddilac LMP project. (not counting the extreamly well done effort by pratt on the vette cars) GM pulled the plug after 3 years of zero success. Only Panoz and barely Saleen are still alive in Lemans competition. American manufacturers are not very willing to sink untold millions into racing programs that in effect provide the common american with any sort of urge to buy the car. Why do I spend millions on a Raid Jeep in Dakar? Well that would make sense because its a rough and tumble event that would make Jeep look great. The only problem is that for at least 1 year their team would look like a bunch of pansies getting wiped around the god forsaken african desert. ot to mention that your average expensive Jeep owner has no clue what the Dakar even is, again round the circle to NPV and ROI. Its just not financailly viable.
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Originally posted by MadMerc97:
You are telling me that the Delorean DMC-12 had absolutely NO relation to the Esprit?
yes. Plain and simple yes.
Lotus is an engineering company, like the weisach (sp?) boys at porsche. They are contracted to do precision engineering by companies that dont have the ability to do so on their own.
The fact that john delorean used Lotus engineers to design his chassis is fairly well known, they were the premier british sports car engineers. He was trying to get government support and nede to keep the project as "close ot home" as possible inorder to recieve more money.
again - its all about money.
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Originally posted by MadMerc97:
I wonder what would happen when Dodge and Jeep enter the WRC and perhaps even kick the crap out of the rest of the competition? I'm pretty sure if that happened, the good guys over in Auburn Hills would let EVERYONE ON EARTH know.
Sorry, Hemis over 2000cc aren't allowed in the WRC
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