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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Carter simply bought his. Seriously, what did Carter do to earn that thing? (* crickets.... *)
Carter Brokered the Iran Hostage release, The Camp David Accords, Habitat for Humanity, the W.H.O., Promotion of AIDS awarness, A leader of the movement to immunize children in undeveloped countries..., and more.
Yes, Carter was an ineffective President, however, he was not awarded the Nobel Prize for being President; he was awarded for all these other things.
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Originally posted by TheAlmightyMe:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Carter simply bought his. Seriously, what did Carter do to earn that thing? (* crickets.... *)
Carter Brokered the Iran Hostage release, The Camp David Accords, Habitat for Humanity, the W.H.O., Promotion of AIDS awarness, A leader of the movement to immunize children in undeveloped countries..., and more.
Yes, Carter was an ineffective President, however, he was not awarded the Nobel Prize for being President; he was awarded for all these other things.
It can be argued that fear of Reagan freed the hostages.
What has become of the Camp David Accords?
Many have given time & noteriety to Habitat, not just Carter. Why single him out for this one? Same with aids awareness and imunization efforts around the world. I don't know enough about the World Health Organization to comment on it.
Seriously, I wonder who else was up for nomination the year the Carter was awarded this....
I will give in on one point. I do believe that Carter was sincere in his compassion & caring.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by jerseycat10:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by spgoode:
You seem to interject a stupid comment into every thread in CI.
Really? Please post links to each of these stupid comments. For brevity's sake, I'll just be expecting links to each thread active in the last 2 days.
Originally posted by spgoode:
Who would be more deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize than Jimmy Carter?
Ronald Reagan
Yeah, he promoted peace by selling arms to our enemy Iran. 
The Iran/Contra affair was likely the best political move for this country, if not the world. When the British pulled out of the Middle East; borders were drawn to create an economic, political, social, and power balance. No one country significantly more powerful than another.
While the US actively supported Iraq during the war, our secret and illegal arms sales to Iran, allowed the two countries to fight to a stalemate. with out our secret support, Iraq would have over run Iran, and thus thrown the region into instability, civil and national wars would break out as the other countries try to consolidate and increase their own power base to deal with the new, bigger, and more powerful Iraq.
These illegal arms sale also was an attempt to create a new peace and relationship between the US and Iran. It was working, until the news of what was happening was leaked.
The money from the arms sales to Iran was funneled to the Contra rebels. A Pro-Democratic revolutionary group in Nicuraugra. As the US now had a policy against interfering in the affairs of another nation (I know there is Hipocrasy here), secretly funneling the money from Iran to the Contra rebels as aid to overthrow the Communist regime was the only way to continue to comply with the Marshall plan.
The Iran/Contra affair certianly made the world a better, safer place. For this alone, Regean should get the Nobel Prize. Well, the whole Star Wars-fall of Russian Cummunism thing too.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Many have given time & noteriety to Habitat, not just Carter. Why single him out for this one? Same with aids awareness and imunization efforts around the world. I don't know enough about the World Health Organization to comment on it.
Carter put a face on these issues. He brought them to the fore-front of American Media. He campaigned for these causes, and grew them into what they are now.
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Originally posted by TheAlmightyMe:
Originally posted by jerseycat10:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by spgoode:
You seem to interject a stupid comment into every thread in CI.
Really? Please post links to each of these stupid comments. For brevity's sake, I'll just be expecting links to each thread active in the last 2 days.
Originally posted by spgoode:
Who would be more deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize than Jimmy Carter?
Ronald Reagan
Yeah, he promoted peace by selling arms to our enemy Iran.
The Iran/Contra affair was likely the best political move for this country, if not the world. When the British pulled out of the Middle East; borders were drawn to create an economic, political, social, and power balance. No one country significantly more powerful than another.
While the US actively supported Iraq during the war, our secret and illegal arms sales to Iran, allowed the two countries to fight to a stalemate. with out our secret support, Iraq would have over run Iran, and thus thrown the region into instability, civil and national wars would break out as the other countries try to consolidate and increase their own power base to deal with the new, bigger, and more powerful Iraq.
These illegal arms sale also was an attempt to create a new peace and relationship between the US and Iran. It was working, until the news of what was happening was leaked.
The money from the arms sales to Iran was funneled to the Contra rebels. A Pro-Democratic revolutionary group in Nicuraugra. As the US now had a policy against interfering in the affairs of another nation (I know there is Hipocrasy here), secretly funneling the money from Iran to the Contra rebels as aid to overthrow the Communist regime was the only way to continue to comply with the Marshall plan.
The Iran/Contra affair certianly made the world a better, safer place. For this alone, Regean should get the Nobel Prize. Well, the whole Star Wars-fall of Russian Cummunism thing too.
The executive branch did not have the authority to give money to the Contras. The administration had been providing covert assistance to the Contras since November 1981, the 1982 Boland Amendment blocked further military aid. If the scandal could have been traced back to Reagan, he probably would and should have been removed from office.
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Originally posted by TheAlmightyMe:
The Iran/Contra affair certianly made the world a better, safer place. For this alone, Regean should get the Nobel Prize. Well, the whole Star Wars-fall of Russian Cummunism thing too.
Don't taint the name of Reagan by associating him with the likes of Nobel. Nobel doesn't deserve him.
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Originally posted by TheAlmightyMe:
The Iran/Contra affair was likely the best political move for this country, if not the world. When the British pulled out of the Middle East; borders were drawn to create an economic, political, social, and power balance. No one country significantly more powerful than another.
While the US actively supported Iraq during the war, our secret and illegal arms sales to Iran, allowed the two countries to fight to a stalemate. with out our secret support, Iraq would have over run Iran, and thus thrown the region into instability, civil and national wars would break out as the other countries try to consolidate and increase their own power base to deal with the new, bigger, and more powerful Iraq.
These illegal arms sale also was an attempt to create a new peace and relationship between the US and Iran. It was working, until the news of what was happening was leaked.
The money from the arms sales to Iran was funneled to the Contra rebels. A Pro-Democratic revolutionary group in Nicuraugra. As the US now had a policy against interfering in the affairs of another nation (I know there is Hipocrasy here), secretly funneling the money from Iran to the Contra rebels as aid to overthrow the Communist regime was the only way to continue to comply with the Marshall plan.
The Iran/Contra affair certianly made the world a better, safer place. For this alone, Regean should get the Nobel Prize. Well, the whole Star Wars-fall of Russian Cummunism thing too.
Oh so then it OK.
The end justifies the means. And here I thought the arms were part of the deal the Reagan camp made with Iran to hang onto the hostages a little while longer. Silly me!
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
Originally posted by TheAlmightyMe:
The Iran/Contra affair was likely the best political move for this country, if not the world. When the British pulled out of the Middle East; borders were drawn to create an economic, political, social, and power balance. No one country significantly more powerful than another.
While the US actively supported Iraq during the war, our secret and illegal arms sales to Iran, allowed the two countries to fight to a stalemate. with out our secret support, Iraq would have over run Iran, and thus thrown the region into instability, civil and national wars would break out as the other countries try to consolidate and increase their own power base to deal with the new, bigger, and more powerful Iraq.
These illegal arms sale also was an attempt to create a new peace and relationship between the US and Iran. It was working, until the news of what was happening was leaked.
The money from the arms sales to Iran was funneled to the Contra rebels. A Pro-Democratic revolutionary group in Nicuraugra. As the US now had a policy against interfering in the affairs of another nation (I know there is Hipocrasy here), secretly funneling the money from Iran to the Contra rebels as aid to overthrow the Communist regime was the only way to continue to comply with the Marshall plan.
The Iran/Contra affair certianly made the world a better, safer place. For this alone, Regean should get the Nobel Prize. Well, the whole Star Wars-fall of Russian Cummunism thing too.
Oh so then it OK.
The end justifies the means...
Sometimes, yes. It would truly depend on the End, and availble means to that desired End.
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Originally posted by TheAlmightyMe:
Originally posted by RT and his SE:
Originally posted by TheAlmightyMe:
The Iran/Contra affair was likely the best political move for this country, if not the world. When the British pulled out of the Middle East; borders were drawn to create an economic, political, social, and power balance. No one country significantly more powerful than another.
While the US actively supported Iraq during the war, our secret and illegal arms sales to Iran, allowed the two countries to fight to a stalemate. with out our secret support, Iraq would have over run Iran, and thus thrown the region into instability, civil and national wars would break out as the other countries try to consolidate and increase their own power base to deal with the new, bigger, and more powerful Iraq.
These illegal arms sale also was an attempt to create a new peace and relationship between the US and Iran. It was working, until the news of what was happening was leaked.
The money from the arms sales to Iran was funneled to the Contra rebels. A Pro-Democratic revolutionary group in Nicuraugra. As the US now had a policy against interfering in the affairs of another nation (I know there is Hipocrasy here), secretly funneling the money from Iran to the Contra rebels as aid to overthrow the Communist regime was the only way to continue to comply with the Marshall plan.
The Iran/Contra affair certianly made the world a better, safer place. For this alone, Regean should get the Nobel Prize. Well, the whole Star Wars-fall of Russian Cummunism thing too.
Oh so then it OK.
The end justifies the means...
Sometimes, yes. It would truly depend on the End, and availble means to that desired End.
Lets see if we can put this back on track...
So Tookie shouldn't have been put to death because the good that comes from his books outweighs the evil of his crimes?
(sarcasm) He was convicted of killing 4 people, surely his books had to have saved at least 5! 
I guess my sense of right and wrong is a little more defined.
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
Lets see if we can put this back on track...
So Tookie shouldn't have been put to death because the good that comes from his books outweighs the evil of his crimes?
(sarcasm) He was convicted of killing 4 people, surely his books had to have saved at least 5!
I guess my sense of right and wrong is a little more defined.
At what point did I state Tookie's life should have been spared? I have yet to even state my viewpoint on his execution or the Governor/Courts decesion to allow the execution.
Please do not put words in my mouth; it reflects poorly on you and your "...more defined sense of right and wrong."
I may concede that you have a more defined sense of right and wrong. I do not consider, nor define things on such a moral knife edge, but rather ethical, or unethical; rational, or irrational. Then compare reasonable options based on their beneficial return.
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