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Originally posted by PurpleMystique:
Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
It's similar to saying you have a Shelby Cobra, when in fact you have a Mustang Cobra, not an AC Cobra that has been revamped by Shelby.
No, it's more like him driving a Mustang Cobra, saying he drives a Cobra because it's easier to say and the Mustang Cobra is often referred to by that shortened nickname, and you interpreting it as him saying he drives a Shelby Cobra.
Exactly.
I for one never think of Mustangs when someone says 'musclecar'. They just aren't. You can make it the most powerful domestic coupe on earth and i still wouldn't consider it a muscle car. It is a sports coupe. Another thing, the Mustang is just a bit too small to be a muscle car too. A muscle car has something about it that is difficult to define, yet easy to understand.
For instance, I consider Marauders muscle cars. There is just something about them, be it the killer engine or the sleeper packaging surrounding it, it IS a muscle car. That could possibly be the best definition of a muscle car. Perhaps that is why I see the new GTO as a muscle car, or the new Impala and Grand Prix V8s. Of course the Chrysler and Dodge LX cars are too. I'd also like to add the Ford Taurus SHO to that list of modern musclecars, you know, the one with the V8 in that black paint with sideskirts that ran you down at the track last time? Of course, Camaro and Firebird were very quick cars, but I almost want to debate their 'musclecar' status. The old ones were, but 3rd-gen on, I don't really think so...
Most of all the musclecar must have "the look". The aforementioned SHO and Marauder were both good examples. The GTO goes the bloated econobox with scoops route, yet somehow manages to look hawt in person. oooo I can't wait for that new Challenger....
I got off topic there...
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wow madmerc you still show your ignorance everytime you post  .....just because YOU hate mustangs so much,and YOU don't classify them as musclecars means nothing......YOU don't know squat anyway,you let your hatred for mustangs cloud you vision....and what your like 17 or something right????then what the hell do you know about musclecars anyway????well after reading your posts i would have to say absolutely nothing,maybe besides what your uncle buzz told you... so please tell me how how oh say a 67 mustang gta fastback with a 390 in it is not a musclecar????or maybe a 69 mach 1 with a 351 in it.....or a '70 boss 302,or a 71 boss 351,or how about a 71 429 super cobra jet....so please try and tell me any of these are not muscle cars.... you say these cars aren't musclecars but yet you list a friggin' sho taurus  and then you go and mention the worst model taurus sho as well you do realize that only the post 95 taurus sho had a v8 right???and that's a yamaha built v8 at that....and they weren't fast either....oooooh but i forgot they are musclecars and just because YOU hate mustangs,doesn't make them any less musclecars.....i consider the car in my sig a musclwecar....it is a rwd v8 powered car with muscular looks to boot......oooooooh but i forgot since its a mustang its not a musclecar....
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Originally posted by PurpleMystique:
Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
It's similar to saying you have a Shelby Cobra, when in fact you have a Mustang Cobra, not an AC Cobra that has been revamped by Shelby.
No, it's more like him driving a Mustang Cobra, saying he drives a Cobra because it's easier to say and the Mustang Cobra is often referred to by that shortened nickname, and you interpreting it as him saying he drives a Shelby Cobra.
that's not so true of a statement either......a shelby cobra is a two seat roadster......a shelby mustang is a mustang tuned by carrol shelby...they weren't actually originally reffered to as cobras at all, they were shelby mustangs.....they weren't called shelby cobra mustangs....the later did however run 428 COBRA jet motors...but they were always officially reffered to as shelby mustangs...
the cobra moniker wasn't really used on mustangs until the 93 model year when the SVT cobra mustangs were introduced,which carrol shelby had nothing to do with...that is not counting the mustang II that were called king cobras,but that was pretty much just fancy decals....
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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:
Originally posted by PurpleMystique:
Originally posted by PlatoSVT:
It's similar to saying you have a Shelby Cobra, when in fact you have a Mustang Cobra, not an AC Cobra that has been revamped by Shelby.
No, it's more like him driving a Mustang Cobra, saying he drives a Cobra because it's easier to say and the Mustang Cobra is often referred to by that shortened nickname, and you interpreting it as him saying he drives a Shelby Cobra.
the cobra moniker wasn't really used on mustangs until the 93 model year
Nice clarification on that Purple Mystique, that is what I meant, but it was late and my brain is confuzzled!
chrisilversvt, I don't see where you get that the Cobra name was not affiliated with the Shelby Mustangs. Let's just have a look at a couple stock items on the GT350's and 500's.
So, yes, you are correct that the Shelby Mustang series are not "Cobras" but they have long been affiliated with that name, due to that is the name of their respective engines.
And to further debate, I don't see where age has a damn thing to do with knowledge/opinions of muscle cars. Any person, young or old, can learn and respect those era cars. While I don't agree with MadMerc on his taste of muscle cars, I think that "muscle cars" can represent different things for different people. Like me for instance, I don't really view anything past 1974 as a muscle car. They may be big and brauny, but like was earlier said, muscle cars have this certain "aura" around them that you can feel when you look at and drive one, and I don't think that feeling has been recreated since the era has past. The cars of today, IMHO are just too refined and conservative. Those beasts handled like hell, where pigs on weight, but performed on the strip like Demi Moore.
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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:
that's not so true of a statement either......a shelby cobra is a two seat roadster......a shelby mustang is a mustang tuned by carrol shelby...they weren't actually originally reffered to as cobras at all, they were shelby mustangs.....they weren't called shelby cobra mustangs....the later did however run 428 COBRA jet motors...but they were always officially reffered to as shelby mustangs...
the cobra moniker wasn't really used on mustangs until the 93 model year when the SVT cobra mustangs were introduced,which carrol shelby had nothing to do with...that is not counting the mustang II that were called king cobras,but that was pretty much just fancy decals....
When I mentioned him driving a Mustang commonly referred to as a "Cobra," i was actually talking about a Mustang that IS commonly referred to as a Cobra, aka the newer ones... But that wasn't the point of my post, it was that he was using a nickname commonly used for his car and someone claimed he was being decietful. Why did they end just just calling them 'Cuda's? Because that's what everyone called them anyway. BTW, a couple years back I got to ride in my (16 year old) friend's '70 Hemi Cuda...  BTW, he drives an '05 Roush Mustang now. As a senior in high school. That he paid for himself. 
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i was just calling out madmerc,because in any thread that even mentions musclecars,or performance cars,he brigs up mustangs,and how much he hates them.....
but seriously tell me the above mustangs i mentioned are not musclecars.....madmerc has the audacity to say mustangs aren't musclecars,but a v8 taurus sho is...i mean get real....
i do also realize that there are cobra emblems on the shelby mustangs,but they are generally not reffered to as cobras though both of my brothers actually own shelby's a '66 and a '68...didn't realize you other guys were talking about late models when reffering to cobras....i hate it when people but cobra emblems on the fender of their non cobra mustangs....i actually have a cobra front bumper on my stang,but would never misbadge it as a cobra...
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Originally posted by chrisilversvt:
i hate it when people but cobra emblems on the fender of their non cobra mustangs
Agreed...especially when it's a V6 and they have all the stock body work and a dual exhast sticking out below the bumper 
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overall that car is pretty sweet, but something about the back end seems a little different
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Just to straighten out the "Cobra" name - it came to Carroll in a dream so Ford cars that his shop built/modified have the Cobra "mascot" on it so it doesn't matter if it's a Mustang or an AC - it's going to have the Cobra somewhere on the thing. True, the two seat sports car (Shelby Mustangs in the 60's had the rear seats removed, by the way) were called Cobras outright and the Mustangs weren't called Cobras until, someone pointed out, 1993. The name thing is kind of neat. When DeTomaso came out with his Sports GT car in the late 60's it was called Mangusta (Mongoose) as they are well known cobra killers in real life but alas, not so much in the car world. I'd still like to have a '69 or '70 Mangusta though. On muscle cars - I suppose any '60 - early 70's high performance car could be called a muscle car though I think the genre name might be reserved for those big engined intermediate body styles like Tempest, Polara, Satellite, Chevelle, Fairlane, Regal or Cutlass. For that matter, the term muscle car could be used on any number of cars starting way back in the late 40's with the Olds 88 in 1949 with the first Rocket V8 (destined for the heavier 98 model) or maybe the Chrysler C300 in 1955. Pony car was the genre of choice for anything that was directly in competition with the Mustang, be it a Barracuda, Challenger, Firebird, Camaro, Cougar or Javelin. I still think you could lump them into the muscle car fold if they were one of the high performance variants of their model line. Sorry for the long post but I can discuss "classic cars" all day!  Karl
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Originally posted by 88SVT:
Just to straighten out the "Cobra" name - it came to Carroll in a dream so Ford cars that his shop built/modified have the Cobra "mascot" on it so it doesn't matter if it's a Mustang or an AC
thanks for the laugh
funny - but not true - and proved to be so in a court of law. Even though ol shel tried to sue everyone that used the name - even the people who make electronics . . .
The originals were also called AC cobras, Not shelbys.
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