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Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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There's no WANT in the black contractors getting jobs. It's called spreading the wealth equally and it's been proven that minorities do not get their fair share of dollars avaailable in those instances. So there is no difference from my example.

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A few people complained about how the evil Christians are always throwing their weight around and trying to alter corporate policy. I made the point that no one complains or calls black people evil when Jesse Jackson and his peeps threaten boycotts as a means for changing corporate policy. Who knows what that has to do with discrimination at Denny's. My point is that if it's okay for black people to exercise their power in numbers, why isn't it okay for Christians to do the same? It isn't, which is the double standard I was referring to.

Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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Also, I didn't say they refused to sell cars to gay people. I said SERVE the gay community. You can discriminate by refusing to serve a certain segment in many different ways. For instance, when those agents went into Denny's they were refused service. Sure they weren't called the "N" word, but the intent was there.

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So by not marketing specifically to gays, they aren't serving them? Great thinking there. Perhaps it's this logic, that gays think they need to be specially catered to, that is suppressing their advancement within this culture/society.

Originally posted by Y2KSVT:

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What does sexual orientation have to do with selling cars? Nothing!

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I dunno, man. Jettas and Outback wagons get bought up like hotcakes by gay guys and gals. VW and Subaru must be doing something right.

Originally posted by frenchblueC2:

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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:

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What does sexual orientation have to do with selling cars? Nothing!

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I dunno, man. Jettas and Outback wagons get bought up like hotcakes by gay guys and gals. VW and Subaru must be doing something right.

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its all in the design

Originally posted by Davo:

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Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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There's no WANT in the black contractors getting jobs. It's called spreading the wealth equally and it's been proven that minorities do not get their fair share of dollars avaailable in those instances. So there is no difference from my example.

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A few people complained about how the evil Christians are always throwing their weight around and trying to alter corporate policy. I made the point that no one complains or calls black people evil when Jesse Jackson and his peeps threaten boycotts as a means for changing corporate policy. Who knows what that has to do with discrimination at Denny's. My point is that if it's okay for black people to exercise their power in numbers, why isn't it okay for Christians to do the same? It isn't, which is the double standard I was referring to.

Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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Also, I didn't say they refused to sell cars to gay people. I said SERVE the gay community. You can discriminate by refusing to serve a certain segment in many different ways. For instance, when those agents went into Denny's they were refused service. Sure they weren't called the "N" word, but the intent was there.

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So by not marketing specifically to gays, they aren't serving them? Great thinking there. Perhaps it's this logic, that gays think they need to be specially catered to, that is suppressing their advancement within this culture/society.

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Originally posted by Davo:

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A few people complained about how the evil Christians are always throwing their weight around and trying to alter corporate policy. I made the point that no one complains or calls black people evil when Jesse Jackson and his peeps threaten boycotts as a means for changing corporate policy. Who knows what that has to do with discrimination at Denny's. My point is that if it's okay for black people to exercise their power in numbers, why isn't it okay for Christians to do the same? It isn't, which is the double standard I was referring to.

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Originally posted by JaTo:

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It's sad, but I'm starting to lump many religion-based activist groups in with PETA in terms of intelligence; they are more and more becoming something to mock and ridicule vs. something with a valid argument that isn't entirely self-serving and meaningless.

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Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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Forcing religious beliefs on homosexuals just because the Christian belief system doesn't support their lifestyle doesn't compare to a group fighting for injustices.

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How do you get 'forcing religious beliefs on homosexuals' from Ford's decision to not advertise in homosexual publications?

And Jackson 'fighting for injustices' is nearly humorous. Sometimes what he does can be considered cronyism. And why is the solution always boycotting, and not putting together the best bid?

Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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The problem lies in the fact that this particular Christian group believes that their belief system is the righteous one and therefore forces it onto others. That is wrong any way you slice it.

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Here we go again with the "religious people forcing their beliefs upon others". Please explain what beliefs they have forced upon people. Have they forced the belief that homosexuality is a sin upon the people at Ford? If so, then Ford is in the wrong, not the people with the beliefs.

Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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And yes, by not marketing to a group that spends $$$ on a company's products is not serving them. It doesn't need to be "great thinking" as you put it. That is fact. And no, homosexuals don't need to be specifically catered to, but they need/want to be accepted. That's what they struggle for. Acceptance and their own human rights.

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Should every group of people feel they need to be specifically marketed in order to be/feel 'accepted'?? I don't see any Ford ads in church bulletins. Does that mean church-goers aren't being served by Ford?

Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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Their suppression and lack of advancement in culture/society is not brought on by their own actions they're just living, trying to survive. It's driven by the fears of those in power. The power such as demonstrated by the group that had ads pulled from their magazines. Do you see homosexual groups doing the same towards Christian publications? Homosexuals are here to stay and as soon as the conservative Christians realize that we'll all get along better.

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What a perfect time of year to ask whether I see the same sorts of things being done to Christians. Are people who are trying to eliminate public use of the word 'Christmas' trying to force their beliefs upon me and the rest of Christians? If gays wanted to boycott The Home Depot for selling 'Christmas trees', I say go for it. If they're successful; if they are organized enough and have enough people to make them stop selling Christmas trees, then good for them. This is America and they are perfectly welcome to do that, in the same way Christians are welcome to act in the way they did with Ford.

Originally posted by Pete D:

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Last time I checked, being black was something you had no choice in being, being Christian is.

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