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Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
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I have, but I usually don't. No encryption = teh suck. I don't want other people sniffing my data.
I got my router locked down fo sho.
How?
Anyone with a packet sniffer can get your WEP password by collecting enough packets (as little as 5 minutes if you are sending a lot of packets). MAC address locking is the same thing, every packet moving on your network has a MAC address listed along with it. Its not hard to spoof a MAC address. No broadcast SSID? Oh yeah, network stumblers will find them too...
And the people that are going to do that are going to waste their time with the traffic that I'll be sending wirelessly. I really doubt the traffic that City of Heroes is sending from my laptop to the router is really going to be that interesting to them.
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No and No. Those are two very different situations.
It's different when THEIR signal is broadcasting onto MY property. I'm not going onto their property to get the signal. The router BROADCASTS the signal out to the cards that RECEIVE it. If I'm receiving it on my property I don't see how you can compare those two ridiculous situations to this one.
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Originally posted by deftoned989:
No and No. Those are two very different situations.
It's different when THEIR signal is broadcasting onto MY property. I'm not going onto their property to get the signal. The router BROADCASTS the signal out to the cards that RECEIVE it. If I'm receiving it on my property I don't see how you can compare those two ridiculous situations to this one.
So if you could easily steal satellite service, that'd be okay? That broadcasts onto your property.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by deftoned989:
No and No. Those are two very different situations.
It's different when THEIR signal is broadcasting onto MY property. I'm not going onto their property to get the signal. The router BROADCASTS the signal out to the cards that RECEIVE it. If I'm receiving it on my property I don't see how you can compare those two ridiculous situations to this one.
So if you could easily steal satellite service, that'd be okay? That broadcasts onto your property.
...if you can pull it off than sure...havent you ever been driving by a drive-in and been able to see the screen,than you check the radio and it comes in..next thing ya' know your watching a movie you didnt pay to see...
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Originally posted by el' padrone:
...if you can pull it off than sure...havent you ever been driving by a drive-in and been able to see the screen,than you check the radio and it comes in..next thing ya' know your watching a movie you didnt pay to see...
That'd be stealing to receive satelitte programming you didn't pay for (which is relatively easy to do), and I reckon a form of stealing to watch a drive in movie without paying. Whether you think it's OK or not, legally, you'd be in trouble if caught.
The internet thing is a bit different. Satelite operators have no choice but to broadcast their signal everywhere, including your house. Homeowners have the ability to protect their wireless signal and should do so if they don't want someone else on it.
Morally, I reckon it's wrong to use someone else's signal, but if you don't do anything illegal or take much of their bandwith, I really don't see it as a problem. If I had a wireless network, I wouldn't care if my neighbors used it as long as they didn't abuse it.
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i wish one of my neighbors had a wireless signal, then i wouldnt have to pay $50 a month for cable modem 
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Originally posted by bishop375:
Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
Originally posted by Pete D:
I have, but I usually don't. No encryption = teh suck. I don't want other people sniffing my data.
I got my router locked down fo sho.
How?
Anyone with a packet sniffer can get your WEP password by collecting enough packets (as little as 5 minutes if you are sending a lot of packets). MAC address locking is the same thing, every packet moving on your network has a MAC address listed along with it. Its not hard to spoof a MAC address. No broadcast SSID? Oh yeah, network stumblers will find them too...
And the people that are going to do that are going to waste their time with the traffic that I'll be sending wirelessly. I really doubt the traffic that City of Heroes is sending from my laptop to the router is really going to be that interesting to them.
I understand that, but I'm just saying that it isn't really that 'locked down.'
I suggest also mapping stating routes and turning off DHCP, or just have DHCP spit out enough IP addresses for known people on your network.
I don't claim to be totally secure, I just claim to be more secure then the next guy... essentially making me a non-target. 
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Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
How?
Anyone with a packet sniffer can get your WEP password by collecting enough packets (as little as 5 minutes if you are sending a lot of packets). MAC address locking is the same thing, every packet moving on your network has a MAC address listed along with it. Its not hard to spoof a MAC address. No broadcast SSID? Oh yeah, network stumblers will find them too...
I don't use WEP I use WPA, thanks for playing. Same thing for my sisters network I secured. Yeah I suppose someone who REALLY knows what they are doing might be able to crack it, but if I have someone like that (eg the gov't) looking after my data, I have bigger problems.
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Originally posted by deftoned989:
No and No. Those are two very different situations.
It's different when THEIR signal is broadcasting onto MY property. I'm not going onto their property to get the signal. The router BROADCASTS the signal out to the cards that RECEIVE it. If I'm receiving it on my property I don't see how you can compare those two ridiculous situations to this one.
Because the odds are they are unaware of the situation. You're using someone else's internet connection, regardless of how you're connected to it.
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Originally posted by Pete D:
Originally posted by Slack Master Doug:
How?
Anyone with a packet sniffer can get your WEP password by collecting enough packets (as little as 5 minutes if you are sending a lot of packets). MAC address locking is the same thing, every packet moving on your network has a MAC address listed along with it. Its not hard to spoof a MAC address. No broadcast SSID? Oh yeah, network stumblers will find them too...
I don't use WEP I use WPA, thanks for playing. Same thing for my sisters network I secured. Yeah I suppose someone who REALLY knows what they are doing might be able to crack it, but if I have someone like that (eg the gov't) looking after my data, I have bigger problems.
Well I hope your passkey is longer then 20 characters and full of random text 
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