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If you ask me, they should go ahead and build a freshened-up version of the Pontiac Banshee and that CERV-III. Those two would be frickin sweet. Oh, if you take a good look at the '68-82 Corvette, you will notice that the earlier ones have a vertical rear winshield, as opposed to the fastback. There was some interest intially to make that body style mid-engined, thus the flat rear deck and vertical rear glass on the earlier models. When that idea got ditched, they switched it over to the fastback-ish rear glass.
Oooooo, I can't wait for that V8 Solstice to come out. Maybe that's more of an "if"
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Originally posted by Silver Snake:
Originally posted by dubkatz:
+ i just dont see a chassis sporting leaf springs doing well with 600+ hp's.
Please explain.
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Now obviously these guys are way bias. But dude did buy a ford gt(so he doesnt hate american cars that bad) He did return it later though. 
Now im not saying the new c6 isnt the best handling vet ever, I just think it time to ditch the Leafs. 
I guess im just not a fan of Big displacement pushrod engines in plastic cars with leaf's.(dont car how much power it makes)
Id still rather have an 03,04 cobra. 
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Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
I just read someone on here that a dyno shop tested a brand new ZO6 and it put down 443 hp and then they just swapped out a set of headers and it gained FORTY HORSEPOWER, making 483!,
No you didn't. You read BS.
I wish I could find the post, but then again, I guess I was wrong to take the CEG-er at his word about what he saw at the dyno, silly me Its "possible" that the exhaust manifolds on the LS-7 are restrictive enough to keep the hp down, alot of GM cars were/are like that. I don't mean to bring up my old car, God knows I'll get ripped for it, but a single turn of the wastegate was good for 10 hp and the stock turbo was good for 22 psi of boost, BIG power gain for nothing, so the header install is valid IMO Todd, but thats just my .02 cents. As far as the GT being the "cooler" car, yeah you don't see em' around, thats for sure and an extra $90K over the ZO6 IS ALOT OF MONEY to pay just to be noticed
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Originally posted by dubkatz:
Originally posted by Silver Snake:
Originally posted by dubkatz:
+ i just dont see a chassis sporting leaf springs doing well with 600+ hp's.
Please explain.
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Now obviously these guys are way bias. But dude did buy a ford gt(so he doesnt hate american cars that bad) He did return it later though.
Now im not saying the new c6 isnt the best handling vet ever, I just think it time to ditch the Leafs.
I'm sure that for a lot more money, they could have developed a more traditional sports car suspension that doesn't perform any better and adds weight.
I guess im just not a fan of Big displacement pushrod engines in plastic cars with leaf's.(dont car how much power it makes)
Id still rather have an 03,04 cobra.
Explain this one. You criticize the vette for being antiquated in some ways, and then choose the Cobra as something you'd rather have?
The big 7.0l pushrod is significantly smaller and lighter than the ford engine. Oh, and it's got a higher redline to boot. Again, they could have made a ZR-1 like engine that weighed more and threw off the balance of the car and raised the center of gravity.
Basically, they chose what they chose for performance and cost reasons, not tradition.
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Quote from someone here earlier in the post:
"Its 3 something bigger  "
anyways look just to the left of the oil cap you can see the chop there.
I'm assuming your a younger CEG-er and/or not into small block Chevrolets, so I'm not flaming you for the "3 something bigger", check it out. Way back in 1955 Chev introduced its small block and it measured 265 cubes, or about 4.3L, give or take a .1=/-. Fast forward to 1967 where the "legendary" 350 was born, it measured 5.7L and then again in 1970, they introduced the 400 s/b, putting out about 6.5L, a full 3.2L bigger than the original s/b, but get this, you wouldn't know it by looking at them side by side, its all inside with bore/stroke. In addition to the 265, GM introduced the 262 in the mid 70's to address the high cost of gas, they even made a 267 in the early 80's too. The small block Chev family is as follows:
-262, 265, 267, 283, 302, 327, 350 and 400
My point is that the current LS-7 in the ZO6 doesn't look any different than the LS-2 in the previous one, its all about whats inside, kinda like people
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I have seen it, as well Roger. But i can't vouch for it being just headers.
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
I have seen it, as well Roger. But i can't vouch for it being just headers.
It is probably just headers however the new Z06 is extremely responsive to temp changes and mileage. The car has been rated at anywhere from 440-470rwhp with no consistent number. That 40rwhp dyno happened but was never recreated. The car now seems to gain around 20rwhp with just headers. The tune is very, very conservative on this car. Lingenfelter just tuned its first Z06 and made 25rwhp with the tune and a modded airbox.
OT: This 434ci 580+rwhp car does just fine with leaf springs. Runs a 1:33 at Road Atlanta. That is blazing for a street car!
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Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
The small block Chev family is as follows:
-262, 265, 267, 283, 302, 327, 350 and 400
My point is that the current LS-7 in the ZO6 doesn't look any different than the LS-2 in the previous one, its all about whats inside, kinda like people
-262, 265, 267, 283, 302, 307, 327, 350, 383 and 400
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Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
Originally posted by todras:
Originally posted by The EX- Striped SVT:
I just read someone on here that a dyno shop tested a brand new ZO6 and it put down 443 hp and then they just swapped out a set of headers and it gained FORTY HORSEPOWER, making 483!,
No you didn't. You read BS.
I wish I could find the post, but then again, I guess I was wrong to take the CEG-er at his word about what he saw at the dyno, silly me Its "possible" that the exhaust manifolds on the LS-7 are restrictive enough to keep the hp down, alot of GM cars were/are like that. I don't mean to bring up my old car, God knows I'll get ripped for it, but a single turn of the wastegate was good for 10 hp and the stock turbo was good for 22 psi of boost, BIG power gain for nothing, so the header install is valid IMO Todd, but thats just my .02 cents. As far as the GT being the "cooler" car, yeah you don't see em' around, thats for sure and an extra $90K over the ZO6 IS ALOT OF MONEY to pay just to be noticed
Here you go Roger...
http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=interests&Number=1100363&Forum=interests&Words=tuned%20Z06&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Old=1month&Main=1100363&Search=true#Post1100363
Originally posted by scottd60:
Here's all the details on this 2006 ZO6...just LG Motorsport long tube headers 492.2 whp 473.3 ft-lbs. They expect to get mid 500 whp with a new camshaft and posibly over 600 whp when proper ecm tuning is available with LT headers, Cam and CIA only according to LGM  .
Not 700 whp but really not very far down the road...only time will tell.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1196428&page=1&pp=20
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1197501&page=1&pp=20
Dyno run with just the headers... 
http://www.lgmracing.com/c6zo6.wmv
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Originally posted by dubkatz:
I guess im just not a fan of Big displacement pushrod engines in plastic cars with leaf's.(dont car how much power it makes)
Id still rather have an 03,04 cobra.
Personal preference is personal preference.
The 5.7L is a finely tuned machine, whether or not you think pushrods are antiquated or not. And not only does it make more HP than any ford V8 you can buy that's actually in a car...it gets better gas mileage too.
Same goes for the leaf springs. There's a big difference between what you think is old technology and what actually works well. Again, the vette will outhandle the cobra. And the vette is not the only GM with leafs in the rear. The caddy XLR also uses rear leafs. Hell, every mustang outside the cobra had leafs in the rear until 05!!!
Not that the cobra isn't a great car though...
And clarkson did get rid of his GT but has since bought it back.
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