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Originally posted by Antonio Wright:
Originally posted by Marky:
I understand we over there to hunt/kill bad guys.
Correction, the troops (NOT we, the troops) are over their to bring democracy to a troubled country. The war is not about "killing bad guys." I am not even going to go there with that statement. 
and THAT's why your against us! 
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Sorry you are right, our troops are over there to hunt/kill bad guys. After serving our country and being a patriot, I got carried away and said we. BTW do you know what country the rest of us are talking about?
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
1st of all, i dont remember ever meeting you.
I apologize but I could have sworn you were at the meet we had in Oceanside, CA.
Originally posted by svt4stv:
and second of all, i dont know why you have your panties in such a bunch. oh wait, that's right, sounds like the typical uber-conservative ceg response that whatever the good ole boys at the top are saying is true then it must be true. yeah, like our government or our military has never lied to us before
LOLOLOLOLOLOL, I can't stop laughing "uber-conservative CEG responce". I have my own opinions about the war, I don't need the CEG to tell me how to feel. Show me the facts, the offical goverment documents that you have in your hand that show where out goveremnt has lied to us. Wouldn't be great if someone from CEG had papers that no one on else on the earth had.
Originally posted by svt4stv:
not to mention YOU werent there either but yet you are willing to defend till the death the guys who did this. sounds like blind faith to me.
"I didn't say" I was there did I? Ummmmmm, NO. I am willing to defend our military to the death. Blind or not. Your faith not that strong? Sorry it's not.
Originally posted by svt4stv:
i didnt say whether or not they did it on purpose. all i said was that it sounds like the brass is covering for them which is suprising because everyone knows that the brass is always willing to let the guys at the bottom take the fall  are you related to a 4 star general or something? 
I am not related to a 4 star general, would be cool if I was.
Originally posted by svt4stv:
anyways, its not like im on some military tribunal or doing some investigation or like my OPINION even matters to anyone or can even make the slightest difference so i dont know why it matters so much to YOU. just because people are over there, doing their job, doesnt give you them a free pass to do whatever they feel like and the US public will just blindly give approval of their actions because they "support the troops."
So terrorist area allowed to break the Geneva Convention but you are saying that our military can't. Can you explain more. I don't want our troop to have a "free pass" if you can explain this too me.
Originally posted by svt4stv:
and the old excuse of "well theyre doing this so we can do this" is getting kind of old now... we're supposed to be better then them, remember? at least that's why we're over there and what we're trying to instill in them right? .....to be better people like us.
So your telling me, we should have let the terrorist blow up the WTC and then tell them we forgive them because we are better people. Heaven forbid we do what ever necessary to get those people.
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Originally posted by Marky:
Sorry you are right, our troops are over there to hunt/kill bad guys. After serving our country and being a patriot, I got carried away and said we. BTW do you know what country the rest of us are talking about?
I am glad you served your country. I applaud that. That still does not give you any right to call someone a tratior or being unpatriotic for having a difference of opinion.
Oh, and by the way. The country in question is Afghanstan and If recall the mission there was to bring democracy to that country as well. Now, are you done?
Now I hate America? That is a new one to me.
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Oh man this is getting a little squirly huh? How retarded does one have to be to think that someone who disagrees with you is instantly a traitor? Does a simple disagreable opinion suddenly mean that th person who made it has betrayed their country and worked against it with a mortal enemy? I think not. The blind little ducklings that are our nation need to grow up and find their own ways and decisions. You hear that! I called you guys children! Grow up and ask questions of your government! If the founders of this country were around today they would be embarrassed at the publics willingness to believe everything the government tells it. This country was FOUNDED on opposition to government, and can only exist properly if such resistance is kept alive. I'm no communist or terrorist. I don't want to see the country burning in flames, or see my own countrymen being torched alive in buildings. If revenge must be taken, let it be quick, concise, and low-key. This war has dragged out long enough. We need to end it now before more of our soldiers die trying to realize some ideal that has never popularly existed in the middle east. Let them do things their way, but that doesn't mean I agree with despots and dictatorships. I say allow them to have any kind of government taht benefits the people socially, allows them personal freedom, and can coexist with surrounding neighbors in a polite fashion. Sorry, just had to get my two cents in... 
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If you think winning is hard, you should see what giving up might look like. 
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Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
If you think winning is hard, you should see what giving up might look like.
Look at Vietnam.
I'm not saying we should "give up". We just need to go about this in a different fashion, as this one is not working as well as anyone would like. I say we need to negotiate with the terrorists, then lock their arses up and let them spend their lives thinking about all the people they killed...
Then we should go with a more "Buddy Jesus" method. Let's make the US military more popular over there. I'm not saying put your guard down, but jeez. I think the soldiers over there catch a lot of flak(literally) from the Iraqi people...Something is wrong if we removed Saddam and the people of Iraq are still fighting us... Why are they?
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Originally posted by Antonio Wright:
Originally posted by Marky:
Sorry you are right, our troops are over there to hunt/kill bad guys. After serving our country and being a patriot, I got carried away and said we. BTW do you know what country the rest of us are talking about?
I am glad you served your country. I applaud that. That still does not give you any right to call someone a tratior or being unpatriotic for having a difference of opinion.
Oh, and by the way. The country in question is Afghanstan and If recall the mission there was to bring democracy to that country as well. Now, are you done?
Show me where I called someone a traitor or unpatriotic.
Excellent, you identified the country.
As I stated before my understanding is that we (United States of America) are there to put the hurt on the bad guys; OBL, Al Qaeda, Taliban. Remember, the ones responsible for 9/11? These guys need to be killed/captured, while that is ongoing democracy can be restored. If they remain at large it will never happen. A few weeks after 9/11 I remember watching some footage of our troops entering a complex armed to the teeth, I don't think they were there to restore anything. If we (USA) are there to restore democracy it is a secondary mission.
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Originally posted by MadMerc97:
Originally posted by Jeb Hoge:
If you think winning is hard, you should see what giving up might look like.
Look at Vietnam.
I'm not saying we should "give up". We just need to go about this in a different fashion, as this one is not working as well as anyone would like. I say we need to negotiate with the terrorists, then lock their arses up and let them spend their lives thinking about all the people they killed...
Then we should go with a more "Buddy Jesus" method. Let's make the US military more popular over there. I'm not saying put your guard down, but jeez. I think the soldiers over there catch a lot of flak(literally) from the Iraqi people...Something is wrong if we removed Saddam and the people of Iraq are still fighting us... Why are they?
Wrong country ace.
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Ok, I hearby announce a moritorium on all comparisons with the Iraq War and Vietnam. Why?
1) The Cold War is over and communism isn't being propogated in Iraq.
2) Aims, goals, situations across the two conflicts are RADICALLY different.
3) Terrain, military strategy, type of insurgency, etc., etc., all make the two drastically different conflicts.
Finally, the most important reason:
4) It makes those advocating the similarity look bloody stupid.
Now, you wish that the US to negociate with terrorists, in light of a LONG-STANDING policy of NOT doing so? Am I hearing you correctly? You want to POLITICALLY validate their cause through negociation?
What in the Hell do we have to say to an organization that wishes to take Iraq back into the 8th Century and wage eternal war on infidels (that's us) and even progressive/moderate Muslims?
Ummmm, no. The only negociation that ANY entity needs to do with Al-Qaeda or those associated with it is with the business-end of a rifle or through the crosshairs of a bomb-sight.
That doesn't mean that we don't need to start positioning ourselves to vacate Iraq; it's long past due the time that their citizens need to start stepping up and shouldering the burden of freedom....
No matter what method you use (barring all US soldiers convert to Islam in the near future), ANY force (US, NATO, UN, etc., etc.) will be looked at as "occupiers" by those friendly and hostile to it due to the amount of time that has passed and the extremely lukewarm progress that has been made. Finally, you have to talk about "which" Iraqis you are referring to. Kurds? Sunnis? Shi'ites? Bedouin minority? Each seem to view our troops and US policy in Iraq in VASTLY different fashions, apart from the "occupier" label.
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