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Buy this turbo with the internal wastegate.
Put this on it
Use this instead of an intercooler
This BPV
While you're buying all this pick up some couplers and alum intake tubing. Find an exhaust shop that will fab up the flange to mount the turbo to the stock manifold and the down pipe. Rig up the intake tubing. Find a dyno shop with Superchips or Diablo software and get it tuned up. Keep it under 180 at the wheels and you'll probaly be able to drive it until you kill the clutch or 3rd gear synchro.
You can upgrade over time with bigger exhaust, custom exhaust manifold, intercooler, stronger shortblock, tricked out head/valvetrain, and then a bigger turbo.
Ohsigmachi '96 GL MTX Zetec
--I don't won't to hurt you, but it's still on my list of things to do.--
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Originally posted by WildChild:
Originally posted by LocoGSR:
Turbo? 
N/A than turbo is my plan, rather than stock to turbo. I figured I'd get as much hp out of the engine as posible first, than ad the turbo  It will keep me from have to make the other upgrades later down the line.
Besides I'm in no hurry to get done with the car.
To get as much power as you can N/A = high compression
High compression + turbo (boost) = bad times
You would only be able to run small amount of boost. If you are going to go turbo build the engine for turbo.  This will save you a lot of time and money in the end.
Hector
2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
257HP/259TQ
2005 Lapis Blue Mazda 6s
RET: 00 Cabernet Red Ford Contour Zetec ATX SUPERCHARGED
160HP/141TQ
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OK. All of my plans for this car have just flown out the window. I have good news! My Uncles are giving me an old Ford Maverick and my Uncle Buzzes old Mach 1's transmission. Sweetness! Uncle John said all I have to do is pick it up! Now a question on that! Should I go 302 or something else? I would have liked that old 351C my uncle Buzz had, but it turns out that John sold it, and it's 4-barrel heads(Uber-rare) to a kid rebuilding a Mach 1 down his street. I'm leaning more towards 302 than modular. The Modular's fine and all, but the 302 would give me a better aftermarket. Any suggestions? P.S. Oh yes, there will be hood scoops... 
J.T.
2002 Chevrolet Silverado 294ci V8. Custom CAI, headers on the way...
1997 Mercury Mystique Zetec ATX
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I would just like to point out automatic transmissions durability versus a standard. How many sub 10 second cars run a stick? It's a 90/10 situation. That's because autos shift quicker , last longer and don't miss gates when they go gear to gear when prepped properly. They take human error out of the loop for the most part. As for superchargers being worthless down low? Umm, Apparantly you never looked at a dyno - Turbos make NOTHING until they spool. ZERO. Where is all of this torque your talking about? A supercharger makes power from idle to redline. Most turbos don't spool until 2500 rpm(I WOULDN'T CALL THAT DOWN LOW). The power increases are similar. It's just that with a turbo it just comes in in one big lump when the turbo spools instead of continuously and seamlessly like a supercharger. So you get a big pull all at once with a turbo, with a charger the power comes on more subtley and is already making the same amount of power the turbo will be at the same rpm. Much more linear. Linear power is good.
95 Contour, Custom EVO bodykit, 2.0l, PNP Focus head, Stage 2 cams, Je pistons, Eagle rods, 4in1header, 2.5" header back exhaust(complete stainless), D P nitrous, ram air intake, 10mm wires, flamethrower.
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Originally posted by evocontour:
I would just like to point out automatic transmissions durability versus a standard. How many sub 10 second cars run a stick? It's a 90/10 situation. That's because autos shift quicker , last longer and don't miss gates when they go gear to gear when prepped properly. They take human error out of the loop for the most part. As for superchargers being worthless down low? Umm, Apparantly you never looked at a dyno - Turbos make NOTHING until they spool. ZERO. Where is all of this torque your talking about? A supercharger makes power from idle to redline. Most turbos don't spool until 2500 rpm(I WOULDN'T CALL THAT DOWN LOW). The power increases are similar. It's just that with a turbo it just comes in in one big lump when the turbo spools instead of continuously and seamlessly like a supercharger. So you get a big pull all at once with a turbo, with a charger the power comes on more subtley and is already making the same amount of power the turbo will be at the same rpm. Much more linear. Linear power is good.
I'm not really sure how to respond to this big pile of ignorance, but I'll try.
1) I wasn't saying that ALL auto trannys were not able to handle big power, My brother runs an AOD in is 1000+ hp "thumper" turbocharged Cobra. The ATX in the Contour is a pretty poorly engineered piece of poo that is poorly cooled, and has weak clutch packs.
2) the SC thing I'm pretty much not going to touch other than to say that every dyno that's ever been posted of a Turbo'd zetec and a Supercharged zetec says I'm right.
The End.
Ohsigmachi '96 GL MTX Zetec
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Well put
I do think though that the MTX responds better to a turbo. Although, I have never been in a turbocharged ATX anything so I couldn't make a good comparison on that. Take that back, I have drove a few 3speed ATX turbo go karts
I will be doing a Turbo setup for my car, and hope to get it done by Spring Zing depending on funds.
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Originally posted by WildChild:
Well put
I do think though that the MTX responds better to a turbo. Although, I have never been in a turbocharged ATX anything so I couldn't make a good comparison on that. Take that back, I have drove a few 3speed ATX turbo go karts
I will be doing a Turbo setup for my car, and hope to get it done by Spring Zing depending on funds.
well not a direct comparison but...
when i did a 3L swap with the atx it was fun. when i swapped it to mtx its soooo much better, alot more powerful too. the atx sucks up alot of the power
Russell
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Looks like my car will be out on friday, can't wait. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of gains i will get with the focus head and cams. The mechanic sugested that I wait on installing the fuel upgrades(rail/injectors/press reg) until I get a peformance pump to replace the stock pump.  Does anyone have recomendations for a pump?
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98.5 SVT
91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater
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Originally posted by evocontour:
Most turbos don't spool until 2500 rpm(I WOULDN'T CALL THAT DOWN LOW). The power increases are similar.
True most turbos don't spool till 2500rpm or higher BUT, when you're trying to go fast, are you under 2500rpm? So it doesn't really matter then that there isn't much very low end power (no traction is bad anyways). If anything, could just mean better gas mileage.
The typical power increases are not similar at all for zetecs.
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