Originally posted by baco99:
Originally posted by Ray:
Originally posted by baco99:
i don't know why people get so defensive over Ford cars! the build quality on their cars is sh-t! i should know, i've had 2 of them!



I've been on 4 Navy ships, and 5 stations... I'm not an expert in Naval strategy, or defense.

I've had 10 to 15 PC's built from scratch, but I'm not an expert on Intel's marketing strategy, nor their financial stock situation.

While I do agree that there are some sub-par quality issues with a few US market companies, I don't agree, particularly, that it is a "ford" issue. All makers do have recalls.. Those Japanese companies do too.

The Toyota owners are crying about Ford sucking, the ford owners are saying that Toyota sucks, too.

What else is new?





See!? Why do people get so defensive about this. Look at the numbers. GM has reported gross losses for the last 3 quarters ($839 million in Q1, $286 million in Q2, $1.6 billion in Q3). Ford's done better, but not great. Toyota's worldwide marketshare is climbing, GM's is declining (down to 14.5%). Ford's done beter, but not great.

GM and Ford JUST announced the return to incentives, only 2 months after empoyee pricing ended. Why? Because they are stuck with a glut of inventory, mandatory worker contracts, and sub-par products and customer service.

This ain't just me yapping, it's the market talking!

Shape up or go out of business!



GM has been reporting record losses since "I" was a kid! WTF has changed? They still sell cars and they're still there. You still see more cars from the General on the road than any other. How is that possible? Many of them last a long time. Many of them are cheap. It may just be that you are comparing apples to oranges. I've had some crappy GM cars. I had a crappy Honda that I worked on constantly from the 60K mile mark. I had a Honda that purred at 130K miles with almost no money in it and I have a buddy that had a 200K mile Accord (1988 model) that had never had anything but maintenance done on it....AND it was an ATX!!
I put many replacement carburetors on 87-89 timeframe Corolla/Geo Prisms (thought it was early 90s when I was doing it) because they were designed like [censored] and had float and air horn problems. For that time period, a $600 job was a bit much. Still, I could list tit for tat.
In the end I'll still go with the fact that Honda and Toyota make the most reliable cars from that tinme period. They are just still riding high on their successes from the 70's and 80's.


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