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Originally posted by baco99:
i think GM needs to competely overhaul its US brands and then introduce those changes to other markets as appropriate:

1) Chevy (Opel abroad) - focus on Economy cars of all sizes to compete with Hyundai, Kia, etc...
2) Pontiac (Holden abroad) - the performance wing. they are already on their way here, but need to take it one step further.
3) Cadillac - luxury. they almost have a complete line-up here. and dump the oversized SUVs!
4) GMC - the truck company. direct competitor to Ford and Dodge. gas guzzlers unite!
5) Hummer - the Jeep competitor. off-road focus. extreme vehicles only.
6) Corvette - the only new brand. sport cars to exotics served here. a chance to offer true performance worldwide without the stigma that the Chevy badge gives the brand. 2 or 3 lines with tons of powerplant options, body styles, and aftermarket support.

Saab - sell it back to the Trolls
Oldsmobile - dump it!
Buick - dump it!
Saturn - dump it!
Subaru - already gone!

this trimmed down strategy will limit the cross-branding mess that has consumers confused about GM these days. offer dedicated brands with a dedicated purpose.




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Originally posted by baco99:
...Subaru - already gone!

this trimmed down strategy will limit the cross-branding mess that has consumers confused about GM these days. ...




I thought Subaru was a quality in the black auto maker. Is this not true?

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I agree with everything but making Corvette it's on brand. Do realize how STUPID that would be? It just doesn't work.


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Originally posted by XKontour98:
Originally posted by baco99:

Oldsmobile - dump it!





Where were you several years ago???




probably posting this same exact thread. if you search, i bet you'll find it.

you can still buy Oldsmobiles, by the way.
http://www.oldsmobile.com/olds/home_f/index.html


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Originally posted by contour_phoenix_when:
Originally posted by baco99:
...Subaru - already gone!

this trimmed down strategy will limit the cross-branding mess that has consumers confused about GM these days. ...




I thought Subaru was a quality in the black auto maker. Is this not true?




true, which is why it is so stupid of GM to have already sold them off!


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Originally posted by MadMerc97:
I agree with everything but making Corvette it's on brand. Do realize how STUPID that would be? It just doesn't work.




explain the benefit of having Chevrolet branded on a Corvette car. no one even refers to Corvettes as Chevy's anymore. if GM had the beat of the consumer, they'd scrap the Chevy label and spin the brand off on its own.

Car #1: a small hardtop convertible Boxster/Elise competitor
Car #2: the current C6/C7/etc...with all of today's trimmings
Car #3: a supercar based on the C6 or variants to compete with 911 GT series, Ferraris, Gallardo, GTR, etc... Maybe offer the Callaway as a model package in limited numbers with factory service support?

all with the same corporate DNA: superior handling, sport looks, powerful engines, tunability, "ClubSport" stripped down models for the track, etc, etc...

essentially make the Corvette more than the *ultimate* sport car, but the *ultimate* sport brand!


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Originally posted by MadMerc97:
I agree with everything but making Corvette it's on brand. Do realize how STUPID that would be? It just doesn't work.



Please, educate us on why a Corvette brand is so STUPID.


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Originally posted by baco99:
you can still buy Oldsmobiles, by the way.
http://www.oldsmobile.com/olds/home_f/index.html




Yeah, used ones. That website was for 2004


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Originally posted by XKontour98:
Originally posted by baco99:
you can still buy Oldsmobiles, by the way.
http://www.oldsmobile.com/olds/home_f/index.html




Yeah, used ones. That website was for 2004




oh no. they are new, 2 year old cars that you can still buy. they made so many leftover fleet vehicles, they are practically giving them away to consumers. a good example of oversupply resutling in reduced margins.


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Chrysler offers buyers $2,400 cash cards

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LAS VEGAS -- Opting not to increase cash incentives, the Chrysler group instead is launching a year-end promotion that offers two years' worth of free gasoline and scheduled maintenance, as well as an extended mechanical warranty.

"Customers are somewhat overwhelmed by traditional rebates," said George Murphy, senior vice president for global brand marketing. "We tested a traditional year-end campaign, a traditional year-end blowout, and it didn't cut through the clutter."

Chrysler's "Miles of Freedom" program runs from Monday, Nov. 21, through Jan. 3. It was revealed to dealers at meetings here on Thursday.

The program offers:

A debit card for $2,400 -- the amount of money Chrysler calculates is needed to buy 12,000 miles worth of gasoline for two years at the Chrysler group's corporate average fuel economy rate of 21.8 mpg. The plan is based on a $2.15 per gallon price of gasoline.
Free scheduled maintenance for as many as 24,000 miles.
A five-year, 60,000-mile full mechanical warranty, compared with the standard three-year, 36,000-mile warranty.

Excluded from the program are the 2005 and 2006 Chrysler 300; Dodge Viper, Magnum, Charger and Sprinter; and all SRT8 vehicles.

Customers can choose existing Chrysler rebates instead of the program, Murphy said. Those rebates range from $1,000 to $7,000 cash back on 2005 and 2006 models, Senior Vice President of Sales Gary Dilts said. The existing rebates are scheduled to end on Nov. 30.

The move counters new programs launched this week by rivals General Motors and Ford Motor Co. GM's "Red Tag" offers consumers vehicles at prices slightly higher than the supplier discounted price. Ford's "Keep It Simple" plan rolls discounts and rebates into a new bottom-line price on vehicle stickers.

Julie Roehm, Chrysler director of marketing communications, said TV commercials for the program start Sunday, Nov. 20, followed by newspaper ads beginning with a page in USA Today on Monday, Nov. 21.

Roehm said the plan tested well in its ability to bring new shoppers into Chrysler showrooms: "The point of this is to really drive traffic -- hopefully, driving traffic that we don't typically see."

You may e-mail Dave Guilford at dguilford@crain.com


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