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Yeah, actually you are more of a killer if you kill two people instead of one. You would get sentenced to almost twice as long in prison.
As for the comment about the Camry, so lame. The Camry recall was on an optional feature, and that feature doesn't mean [censored] unless you are involved in a side impact accident. The Ford recall about the gas tank coming off could kill people other than those riding in the 500. If you were to compare say the steering system recall on a Tundra to the F-150 recall for cruise control, where both things are standard features, and obviously parts problems, that would be vaild.
BTW, regardless of the truthfullness of the statement that Ford cars aren't the quality automobiles Toyotas and Hondas are, if that is what people think, it will hurt Ford sales. They need to start worring on a major scale about their image to the American public if they wish to keep selling cars.
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i don't know why people get so defensive over Ford cars! the build quality on their cars is sh-t! i should know, i've had 2 of them! i think i counted 16 recalls and TSBs on my GL and 8 on my SVT. something like that. believe what you want. media hype, corporate stats, marketing talk. bottom line is that in the race to sell cars, US is losing, Japan is winning. there is something inherently wrong with people's image of US cars, and recalling 250,000 of them doesn't instill confidence!!! get it together Ford & GM!
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Originally posted by baco99:
i don't know why people get so defensive over Ford cars! the build quality on their cars is sh-t! i should know, i've had 2 of them!
I've been on 4 Navy ships, and 5 stations... I'm not an expert in Naval strategy, or defense.
I've had 10 to 15 PC's built from scratch, but I'm not an expert on Intel's marketing strategy, nor their financial stock situation.
While I do agree that there are some sub-par quality issues with a few US market companies, I don't agree, particularly, that it is a "ford" issue. All makers do have recalls.. Those Japanese companies do too.
The Toyota owners are crying about Ford sucking, the ford owners are saying that Toyota sucks, too.
What else is new?
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Having had Mazdas (before Ford bought them), Toyotas, Fords, Lincolns, Mercurys, one Chrysler, and one Honda growing up, I can tell you this. Our biggest POS Mazda or Toyota was 10x better put together and 10x more reliable than our best Ford car not to mention the Japanese cars were 10x less recalled. We never had one Ford or Mercury that didn't have at least three recalls during the 2 to 3 years we leased it. The Lincoln was only recalled once. How many recalls have we ever had on a Toyota or Mazda? None. How many repairs did the Toyotas or Mazdas need? None. (We did have one Honda that had been wrecked and overheated sometimes) For a while my Dad worked for Ford, and we had to drive Ford cars. As soon as he quit and our leases were up, we went back to our problem free Toyotas and Mazdas. We don't have time to baby our cars and have them in for constant repairs. When I say baby, I don't mean not abuse. I mean I don't think you should have to correct things like the low coolant light on our car, and worry about [censored] waterpumps failing on cars with 100k. Ford can not provide reliability on a consistant basis, and when the A-plan discount was gone, they lost business from me, my parents, my grandparents, aunts, uncles, and anyone else related to us that qualified for the discount.
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Having had Mazdas (before Ford bought them), Toyotas, Fords, Lincolns, Mercurys, one Chrysler, and one Honda growing up...
So you had Mazdas before you were born? That's pretty cool. Or did you just get some really freakin' old cars when you were older?
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In saying having had, I mean the cars my parents drove while I was a kid, I've never had a car older than 6 years old, and that 6 year old car was the oldest.
Ford didn't acquire Mazda until the mid 1990's. I was born in the mid 1980's. We had 3 626s between 1984 and 1992 when we moved to Detroit, not to mention a GLC, and an RX7. I would have remembered any of the 626's or RX7 breaking because those were my Moms car, and we would have needed to drive it 50 miles to the Mazda dealer and sit there while it was fixed since my Mom wasn't going to leave me home alone all day, and she took me everywhere. I never rode in my Dad's car because he worked third shift.
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Originally posted by red99sesport:
Ford didn't acquire Mazda until the mid 1990's. I was born in the mid 1980's. We had 3 626s between 1984 and 1992 when we moved to Detroit, not to mention a GLC, and an RX7. I would have remembered any of the 626's or RX7 breaking because those were my Moms car, and we would have needed to drive it 50 miles to the Mazda dealer and sit there while it was fixed since my Mom wasn't going to leave me home alone all day, and she took me everywhere. I never rode in my Dad's car because he worked third shift.
Ford bought it's 25% stake in Mazda in 1979. In the mid-90's it upped its' stake to 33%. It has never "bought" or "acquired" Mazda; the Japanese government won't allow it to.
And if you had an 626 (particularly an early one) or an RX-7 that didn't break down regularly, let alone ever, you were that one in a million. I like Mazdas and all, but come on, yours is a perfect example of how relatively useless anectodal evidence is if there ever was one.
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Originally posted by Ray:
Originally posted by baco99:
i don't know why people get so defensive over Ford cars! the build quality on their cars is sh-t! i should know, i've had 2 of them!
I've been on 4 Navy ships, and 5 stations... I'm not an expert in Naval strategy, or defense.
I've had 10 to 15 PC's built from scratch, but I'm not an expert on Intel's marketing strategy, nor their financial stock situation.
While I do agree that there are some sub-par quality issues with a few US market companies, I don't agree, particularly, that it is a "ford" issue. All makers do have recalls.. Those Japanese companies do too.
The Toyota owners are crying about Ford sucking, the ford owners are saying that Toyota sucks, too.
What else is new?
See!? Why do people get so defensive about this. Look at the numbers. GM has reported gross losses for the last 3 quarters ($839 million in Q1, $286 million in Q2, $1.6 billion in Q3). Ford's done better, but not great. Toyota's worldwide marketshare is climbing, GM's is declining (down to 14.5%). Ford's done beter, but not great.
GM and Ford JUST announced the return to incentives, only 2 months after empoyee pricing ended. Why? Because they are stuck with a glut of inventory, mandatory worker contracts, and sub-par products and customer service.
This ain't just me yapping, it's the market talking!
Shape up or go out of business!
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Originally posted by baco99:
GM and Ford JUST announced the return to incentives, only 2 months after empoyee pricing ended. Why? Because they are stuck with a glut of inventory, mandatory worker contracts, and sub-par products and customer service.
This ain't just me yapping, it's the market talking!
Shape up or go out of business!
It's the unions fault. Too many benefits to pay for requires a higher volume of cars to be built & sold to cover costs. That leaves less time for build quality. Lower build quality hurts sales & you get the overall decline of the entire domestic industry.
Lots of assembly plants being built in 'right-to-work' states to avoid union hassles - particularly foreign car makers. Can't blame 'em.
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Seriously, lots of reasons adding up is why things are going down hill for the domestic companies. A few have been brought up in this tread. What the domestics to in response to those innumerable troubles will determine if they remain a viable competitor in the world market. I thing Ford is on a good track, GM less so, but they're gettin' the idea...
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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i think GM needs to competely overhaul its US brands and then introduce those changes to other markets as appropriate:
1) Chevy (Opel abroad) - focus on Economy cars of all sizes to compete with Hyundai, Kia, etc...
2) Pontiac (Holden abroad) - the performance wing. they are already on their way here, but need to take it one step further.
3) Cadillac - luxury. they almost have a complete line-up here. and dump the oversized SUVs!
4) GMC - the truck company. direct competitor to Ford and Dodge. gas guzzlers unite!
5) Hummer - the Jeep competitor. off-road focus. extreme vehicles only.
6) Corvette - the only new brand. sport cars to exotics served here. a chance to offer true performance worldwide without the stigma that the Chevy badge gives the brand. 2 or 3 lines with tons of powerplant options, body styles, and aftermarket support.
Saab - sell it back to the Trolls
Oldsmobile - dump it!
Buick - dump it!
Saturn - dump it!
Subaru - already gone!
this trimmed down strategy will limit the cross-branding mess that has consumers confused about GM these days. offer dedicated brands with a dedicated purpose.
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