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Originally posted by Stazi:
Originally posted by pole120:
Originally posted by Stazi:
Turbo is the only way you're gonna get anywhere near 300hp on a 2.5L
Mumm had damn near 300HP on his NA 2.5
It was a fully built race-motor. Somehow I don't think we can use that example here. Drivability of that thing on the street would be next to worthless.
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Originally posted by Nightwolf:
You know I was going to make some comment here, but you know I thought.. Ill just let you realize how stupid yor comment of "The basics are the same" is, cause the only thing that a 426 and the V6 is that they both run on gas, have pistons and sparkplugs... thats about it.
I nominate this for the dumbest thing said this week on CEG.
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Originally posted by posthuman63t:
Originally posted by Nightwolf:
You know I was going to make some comment here, but you know I thought.. Ill just let you realize how stupid yor comment of "The basics are the same" is, cause the only thing that a 426 and the V6 is that they both run on gas, have pistons and sparkplugs... thats about it.
I nominate this for the dumbest thing said this week on CEG.
Whoa Nelly, It's Monday and i just got on the computer. Give me a chance I can beat that... 
As a matter of fact, I hink I just did!!! 
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Originally posted by Stazi:
Originally posted by pole120:
Originally posted by Stazi:
Turbo is the only way you're gonna get anywhere near 300hp on a 2.5L
Mumm had damn near 300HP on his NA 2.5
It was a fully built race-motor. Somehow I don't think we can use that example here. Drivability of that thing on the street would be next to worthless.
You folks are comparing different numbers.
The racing engines (Mumm, Capaldi, etc) talked about use flywheel numbers without any accesories. (i.e. engine test stand dyno)
The numbers we normally quote here are "SAE wheel" power numbers. They are going to be at least 20% to 25% lower then a test stand run.
A 300 HP test stand run is maybe 240 wheels. The highest quote for a racing engine I have seen over the years was in the 330 "test stand" range. (~260 wheels) That's custom race cams, 13 to 1 CR, 120+ octane race fuel, etc. That is an extremely potent small displacement NA engine! (well over 100 hp/l at the wheels!)
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okay, so which turbo is better
The t3/t4 or the t28?
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Originally posted by ToasterOven:
okay, so which turbo is better
The t3/t4 or the t28?
By better if you mean, which one makes more power, than its the T3/T4.
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The T3/T4 on a stock 2.5L will take FOREVER to get on boost. It'd be basically a "dyno queen". Steetability would suck, without some serious work.
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Originally posted by Stazi:
The T3/T4 on a stock 2.5L will take FOREVER to get on boost. It'd be basically a "dyno queen". Steetability would suck, without some serious work.
what do u mean by "to get on boost?"
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Jim Hahn
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Actually, there are some small t3/4 trims that wouldn't be too bad. I've seen them used on the civic motors and for that motor they lag a bit but on the 2.5 it would be about like the big ass t3/4 that I use.
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