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An oversight committee?
When the Senate has the power to authorize war you are saying that they are relying on the recommendations from a committee who don't do the jobs that they are supposed to do? The SIC has access to the intel. The SIC does not have access to the documents showing thought processes the conclusions and the executive branch draws from the intel. There is no debate about that.
Once again, I state that the SIC themselves concluded that there was no pressure on the analysts from the executive branch. It is written in their own report. How can they both claim that there might have been pressure if they concluded in their investigation that there was no pressure? That sounds highly irresponsible! No wonder they're working so hard to point the finger elsewhere. Personally I see no reason to blame people who act on the intelligence. If anything the spy agencies are the one who need to fix their problems. Our government acted appropriately based on the the flawed intel. Once again, the SIC drew these very same conclusions...
What I'm trying to say is that the members of the SIC and the members of the US Senate that they are supposed to the inform drew the same conclusions as the executive branch with the same intel. There is no excuse for them, nor do they need one, the simple fact is that the intel was flawed. They can investigate that and have done so and concluded that it was the case. To go beyond that and claim that they were lied to, when they had the same data at their fingertips is inappropriate and unethical.
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Originally posted by �¡Oracle!:
Our government acted appropriately based on the the flawed intel. Once again, the SIC drew these very same conclusions...
how can you state this when the SIC hasn't finished the investigation on the use of available intel by the bush admin? this is the problem. they only completed half of the investigation! why? because of pressure from the republican members to hold off on phase 2 of the investigation until after the '04 election. the phase 2 that hasn't started yet.
you do know that approx 20% of the original report was censored by the administration right? you do know that three versions of the report on iraq were prepared right? all of them concluded to a point that saddam was a threat, but the first classified version apparently had many reservations. a declassified version that was given to congress erased most of the doubts. and an even shorter public version eliminated all the doubts! why is that?
it doesn't tell us how so much negative assessment got left out or how the bush admin came to make public statements that contradicted information that was readily available to administration. why is that?
hopefully a COMPLETED investigation by the SIC will lead us to those answers. until then be careful of trying to place all the blame on the intel agencies. i think it's unfair and innacurate. hopefully we'll find out at some point.
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what happens when we find out all along that weapons did exsist but where moved to neighboring Iran or Syria? Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Airforce:
what happens when we find out all along that weapons did exsist but where moved to neighboring Iran or Syria? Just a thought.
Hey! Don't you know only the democrats are allow to speculate! We have to have proof! DUH! 
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If it's ever proven that Saddam moved and/or sold his WMDs to other countries the liberals will complain that Bush didn't act on the Clinton Admin's calls for regime change soon enough. They'll pretty much be saying the exact opposite of what they're saying now. My guess it that a Democrat will be in office at that point and take the credit for everything.
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Hey! Don't you know only the democrats are allow to speculate! We have to have proof! DUH!
corbett my conservative extremist ceg pal. do you think it's ok to go to WAR based on speculation? or only if it's against muslims...
i mean we are a role model and greatest country in the world right? to me it makes abso(f'ing)lutely no sense at all to go to WAR, pre-emptively at that, based on questionable (and false) speculation.
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Originally posted by Airforce:
what happens when we find out all along that weapons did exsist but where moved to neighboring Iran or Syria? Just a thought.
then they'll start up the draft in order to get enough troops to go to war with them too.
but really, although i'm not sure finding wmd stockpiles would vindicate the bush admin it would go a long way for me at least. there would still be a lot of unanswered questions though.
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Originally posted by BP:
corbett my conservative extremist ceg pal.
I wonder if your left-leaning buddies that always complain about being labeled liberals are going to come out and complain about you labeling Corbett this way.
Originally posted by BP:
do you think it's ok to go to WAR based on speculation? or only if it's against muslims...
i mean we are a role model and greatest country in the world right? to me it makes abso(f'ing)lutely no sense at all to go to WAR, pre-emptively at that, based on questionable (and false) speculation.
I think whether or not it was speculation is the subject of this debate, so your premise there should not be accepted.
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Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by Airforce:
what happens when we find out all along that weapons did exsist but where moved to neighboring Iran or Syria? Just a thought.
then they'll start up the draft in order to get enough troops to go to war with them too.
but really, although i'm not sure finding wmd stockpiles would vindicate the bush admin it would go a long way for me at least. there would still be a lot of unanswered questions though.
Are you kidding???????? You honestly don't think there were considerable quantities of WMDs in Iraq???? You really don't give any weight to the declarations Iraq made to the UN about their programs & stockpiles???? It would take finding a warehouse full to get you to give the Pres a little credit???
Un-believable!!
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by Corbett:
Hey! Don't you know only the democrats are allow to speculate! We have to have proof! DUH!
corbett my conservative extremist ceg pal. do you think it's ok to go to WAR based on speculation? or only if it's against muslims...
i mean we are a role model and greatest country in the world right? to me it makes abso(f'ing)lutely no sense at all to go to WAR, pre-emptively at that, based on questionable (and false) speculation.
YOu do with what you have in the intelligence world. Analyst put things together from multiple sources and come up with their assessments. Hence, intelligence typically is some kind of speculation in one shape or form. Unless you have eyes on, or most importantly, good HUMINT (that's Human Intelligence for the non-Intel types) then you go with what you have. Our HUMINT has sucked ass for the last 20 or so years, ESPECIALLY in the Middle East.
I find it amusing that everyone talks about intelligence when they themselves have no f-ing clue how the intel world works...
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