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Originally posted by bishop375:
This has NOTHING to do with society or society's opinion. Healthcare will not allow a partner under a civil union to have final say in treatment, save for VERY few instances. They are not allowed to handle financial/estate affairs in the event of death. EVEN if they've been together for 40 or 50 years.
This level of disinformation that is prevelant in society is stunning to say the least. Every item expressed in this statement is patently untrue. Healthcare, financial and real estate, and overall estate issues are handled by a mix of two documents, a living will, and the last will and testament. Power of attorney, which gives the right to make healthcare decisions, sign checks, make legal deisions, etc., is dealt with in the living will document, which also deals with heroic lifesaving measures, or who can make such life saving decisions if the decision is not dictated in the living will. I can designate anyone I choose with power of attorney in my living will, whether it be my spouse, another family member, or someone outside of the family, like my attorney for instance. Yes by default, in the absence of any living will, when a state sponsored legal marriage contract exists, the spouse gets these rights by default, however even this right can explicitiy be overridden in the living will document. The executor established in the last will and testament document is responsible for the execution of the legal will/testament document to the benefactors listed in the document. These days given the complexity of healthcare issues, financial situations, etc., it is imperative for even married couples to have these two legal documents prepped early in life and updated as needed. In the many situations raised by the gay community siting these false arguments, it is always because of a lack of foresight and irresponsibility for not having these two critical documents in hand when healthcare issues and/or death occurs.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
Frankly, this kind of insanity doesn't surprise me coming from someone whose s/n is "woodencross."
Was it you or Beowulf who was complaining about being labeled and wrapped into a neat little package earlier in this thread? Either way, I'm pretty sure you've complained about it in the past as well.
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besides the will issue, there is also the wrongful death issue. if a gay couple are riding in a car together (sounds like the beginning of a joke) and they get into a wreck caused by a drunk driver, one dies, the other probably wont be able to sue for wrongful death or loss of consortium, even if they have lived together for 50 years. depends on the state's wrongful death statute/loss of consortium but most states dont even allow common law marriages to recover. typically only legally married spouses and blood relatives (even relatives can be strictly limited). now just for arguments sake, imagine one is handicapped and doesnt work. the other dude is killed and he is the sole bread-winner. now handiman is left with income and could be tossed onto the street. we would find it abhorrent if this were to happen to a nice heterosexual couple. im not advocating nor denying their claim to rights. im just pointing out additional issues that can arise (no pun intended  )
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Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Originally posted by MX Racer:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
I was looking at my wife last night while I was holding Liberty and just couldn't help but think that my marriage is stronger because of this amendment. My, thus far perfect, marriage would have been headed right down the crapper if it hadn't been voted in. But, alas, my marriage is strong because of our countty' various local governments and I can sleep better at night knowing the homosexual community will be inspired to make better choices in who they love in the future. Thank the maker. I was getting a little worried that some lesbians would break into my home and force my wife into a life of involuntarily serv-a-tubes.
the vagina is ergonomically superior to the penis!!!!!
Yes, but the penis is more aerodynamic.
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It was a cheapshot, and I do apologize.
Loads of frustration here and at work spilled over.
Still no excuse.
It just frustrates me to no end when intelligent people cannot grasp how a minority is being repressed, or agree with it happening.
There is NO possible way that a gay couple getting married will affect ANYbody else's marriage.
How would the marriage of a drunken abusive scumbag to a woman he abused affect you? How about a straight child molester marrying? Does that affect you? I can name other situations where straight marriages would be just as bad, if not worse, than a gay marriage.
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Originally posted by TexasRealtor:
Originally posted by MX Racer:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
I was looking at my wife last night while I was holding Liberty and just couldn't help but think that my marriage is stronger because of this amendment. My, thus far perfect, marriage would have been headed right down the crapper if it hadn't been voted in. But, alas, my marriage is strong because of our countty' various local governments and I can sleep better at night knowing the homosexual community will be inspired to make better choices in who they love in the future. Thank the maker. I was getting a little worried that some lesbians would break into my home and force my wife into a life of involuntarily serv-a-tubes.
the vagina is ergonomically superior to the penis!!!!!
Yes, but the penis is more aerodynamic.
I beg to differ. If the two were boats, the penis would be a sailboat with no sail and the vagina would be a dual hull speed boat.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
Frankly, this kind of insanity doesn't surprise me coming from someone whose s/n is "woodencross."
What's wrong with the name Woodencross? Am I to be tolerant of everything you do simply because you WANT to do it? No. Just like I am not tolerant of my neighbors in my neighborhood waking my kids up, I will not be tolerant of a lifestyle CHOICE that plays a part in destroying a society. Ever heard of Rome?
Some things are simply wrong, regardless of how they MAKE the person involved feel. There have to be limits as to what people can do. Unfortunately, since people won't look out for themselves, we as a society have to do it sometimes. Could you explain to me why father is not allowed to marry daughter? How about brother and sister? Or cousin and cousin? Why? Because it is unhealthy and promotes disease. The same thing applies to homosexual marriage. Homosexual marriage is NOT a healthy lifestyle, and is completely by CHOICE!
And that's why we now have this constitutional amendment in Texas. Nothing can be the same as marriage simply because there is nothing out there as healthy as a marriage. Unfortunately, we have too many wackjobs out there screwing marriages good name up through divorce etc etc etc!!!
I can't believe you make me out to be the idiot, when you promote a lifestyle that is damaging to everybody.
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Originally posted by Woodencross:
I can't believe you make me out to be the idiot, when you promote a lifestyle that is damaging to everybody.
And how, pray-tell, is it damaging to EVERYBODY? I can't wait to hear the answer to this one.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
I can't believe you make me out to be the idiot, when you promote a lifestyle that is damaging to everybody.
And how, pray-tell, is it damaging to EVERYBODY? I can't wait to hear the answer to this one.
Again, I ask, have you ever heard of ROME?
The country destroyed itself because of its gluttony, homosexuality, abortion, laziness, etc etc etc...
Does that strike any similarities to our nation?
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
besides the will issue, there is also the wrongful death issue. if a gay couple are riding in a car together (sounds like the beginning of a joke) and they get into a wreck caused by a drunk driver, one dies, the other probably wont be able to sue for wrongful death or loss of consortium, even if they have lived together for 50 years. depends on the state's wrongful death statute/loss of consortium but most states dont even allow common law marriages to recover. typically only legally married spouses and blood relatives (even relatives can be strictly limited).
I've not researched wrongful death statutes in regard to civil unions, etc. Most likely, the DOMA act would apply here as the law is ignorant/neutral when it comes to prejudices/beliefs. The old adage "follow the letter of the law" is literal in so far as the specific wording is to be interpreted literally and directly. As DOMA specifically defined both marriage and spouse, if I researched this issue I'd probably find that only legally recognized marriages under the current statutes of the state and/or federal courts (depending on where the case is heard and the precedents from case history) would be able to sue for wrongful death. I could very well be mistaken in this assumption though.
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now just for arguments sake, imagine one is handicapped and doesnt work. the other dude is killed and he is the sole bread-winner. now handiman is left with income and could be tossed onto the street. we would find it abhorrent if this were to happen to a nice heterosexual couple.
im not advocating nor denying their claim to rights. im just pointing out additional issues that can arise (no pun intended )
In the example above, this is also IMHO a matter of poor planning and lack of foresight. What you described above is a typical one income family situation. In my family's case, since we are a one income family, I myself have around 1mil in life insurance if anything were to happen to me along the line of what you outlined above. Realistically though, we're far more likely to be disabled in life than we are to die unexpectedly, about seven times as likely last time I researched this issue, which means everyone should have sufficient disability insurance coverage. In any case, disability insurance and life insurance are both "willable" items in the event of death. I can buy a life insurance policy on anyone really, and designate any beneficiary I wanta to, I just have to pay for it to keep the policy in force.
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