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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by bishop375:
No, I'm not pro-abortion.
I'm pro-CHOICE.
But that is another debate for a different time.
...which means you're pro-abortion. But since you're able to approach the same debate with a different mindset, I'll assume you finally understand the points I've been trying to make throughout this thread.
I don't agree with all instances of abortion. There are a few where I DO agree with it. But, I don't consider myself pro-abortion, because I'm not of the mindset to tell someone to go out and get it. BUT, I do agree that there should be the CHOICE. Let the woman deal with the consequences- emotionally and physically.
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
I was looking at my wife last night while I was holding Liberty and just couldn't help but think that my marriage is stronger because of this amendment. My, thus far perfect, marriage would have been headed right down the crapper if it hadn't been voted in. But, alas, my marriage is strong because of our countty' various local governments and I can sleep better at night knowing the homosexual community will be inspired to make better choices in who they love in the future. Thank the maker. I was getting a little worried that some lesbians would break into my home and force my wife into a life of involuntarily serv-a-tubes.
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Originally posted by Davo:
No. Some consider the acceptance of gay marriage within our society to be forcing immorality upon them. Don't think one's conception of morality is entirely independent of society.
But, nobody is asking *YOU* to accept it. You can be as pissed off as you want about it, rant and rave about it, curse about it.
And don't give me this "majority didn't accept it" crap. This isn't about what the PEOPLE want to accept, or who it's being thrust upon. Nobody is being forced to be willing to accept, agree with, or like gay marriage.
The ONLY thing it's done is exclude a minority from the same rights as the majority, which is NOT what this country was founded upon.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
And don't give me this "majority didn't accept it" crap. This isn't about what the PEOPLE want to accept, or who it's being thrust upon. Nobody is being forced to be willing to accept, agree with, or like gay marriage.
Isn't there a large special interest group trying to force society to accept gay marriage? If there isn't, then why do states feel the need to pass amendments defining marriage?
Originally posted by bishop375:
The ONLY thing it's done is exclude a minority from the same rights as the majority, which is NOT what this country was founded upon.
Since you're so concerned about equal rights, will you join me in my drive to be eligible for Medicare and welfare?
EDIT: Where's jerseycat10 when you need him to claim CEG is a conservative lovefest?  (I think he's banned)
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Originally posted by Davo:
Please note I said the amendments were written as such, not that I actually believe that's their intent. If you want to deny that they're written as a promotion of heterosexual marriage, then I suggest you go back and read them. If you still don't think so, you may have to learn how to read again.
The intent is the only reason the law was written. I'd like to meet someone who thinks the law's sole purpose is to make heterosexual couples feel good that they match up with the definition. By the same token, I'd like to meet someone who voted for the law not realizing it was going to ban gay marriage.
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Originally posted by Davo:
...which means you're pro-abortion. But since you're able to approach the same debate with a different mindset, I'll assume you finally understand the points I've been trying to make throughout this thread.
What's the "different mindset?" A lot of people would never have an abortion, but they still think they should be legal. Same with gay marriage.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Isn't there a large special interest group trying to force society to accept gay marriage? If there isn't, then why do states feel the need to pass amendments defining marriage?
No, they're not trying to force *society* to accept it. They're trying to get the same rights afforded to them under their State (and maybe some day the United States) Constitution, by their GOVERNMENT, NOT society.
This has NOTHING to do with society or society's opinion. Healthcare will not allow a partner under a civil union to have final say in treatment, save for VERY few instances. They are not allowed to handle financial/estate affairs in the event of death. EVEN if they've been together for 40 or 50 years.
Why do you see that as being just under the concept of "All men are created equal?"
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Originally posted by Viss1:
What's the "different mindset?" A lot of people would never have an abortion, but they still think they should be legal. Same with gay marriage.
Example: People on the left think people on the right want to ban gay marriage because they hate gays. People on the right want to ban gay marriage because they want to protect traditional marriage. It's a different perspective, just as bishop375 outlined with his stance on abortion. He doesn't want to kill babies, he wants to give women the choice to do so.
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Originally posted by Davo:
People on the right want to ban gay marriage because they want to protect traditional marriage.
Where is the point in gay marriage where it irreparably harms or alters "traditional marriage?" What difference does allowing other people the same rights you are afforded make to your or my marriage? I know MY marriage isn't affected or any less valid/important/special because my aunt's cousin married her longterm girlfriend.
What is it that you feel the need to protect? NOBODY is changing traditional marriage!
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In the context of the discussion between you two, bishop375's position was that banning an action imposes one's will on other people. Alternatively, letting the action remain legal (whether personally supporting it or not) is how one leaves others' rights intact.
Your statement provides a reason why people might have voted for the law, but it doesn't directly address bishop's comment as stated.
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