Originally posted by Beowulf:
Me = not liberal, so put your labels back in the desk drawer where they belong.


Originally posted by Davo:
Prove me wrong, man ... prove me wrong.



Just because I believe that gay marriage should not just be legal but as well as protected as a heterosexual marriage I am a liberal? I KNOW that your labels don't apply to me. You are the one jumping to this conclusion based on YOUR preconceptions of what subset of beliefs a "liberal" is supposed to have. The burden of proof is on YOU to back up your assumption.

Originally posted by Beowulf:
THE PEOPLE forget that their role as the governed is to not only protect what they believe is true, but to also protect the will of those with less of a voice.


Originally posted by Davo:
Did you make that up, or did it come in the daily email?



Daily email? No idea what nonsense you are spouting. Do you think that we do not have the responsibility to protect minorities? Did you sleep during your history lessons about the Civil Rights Movement, Equal Oppertunity and other measures that we AS A PEOPLE have enacted to protect the rights and privileges of minorities? Or do you have SWASTIKA tattooed to your forehead? That assumption is just as valid at this point as your assumption that I am a liberal.

Really though, I understand your need to put a label on a person so that you can pigeonhole them. It is essential in your need to feel superior.

Originally posted by Beowulf:
THE PEOPLE respond quickly on issues of protecting children even though it is often inconvenient to THE PEOPLE as a whole.


Originally posted by Davo:
See above.



You didn't make a valid point. Make one, and I will address it.

Originally posted by Beowulf:
What homosexuals are asking for is not for the straight couple of Jane and John to cast their heterosexuality aside or to welcome homosexuality into their home, what they are asking for is the privilege considered automatic for John and Jane to be extended to Bob and Joe as well as Janet and Jackie.



Originally posted by Davo:
If homosexuality is different from heterosexuality, why would they want the same union? Why do they want so badly to be a part of a heterosexual insitution?



The only thing that is different is that people of the same sex are involved. I have known many gay people. Some are just like my sex crazed hetero friends and will [censored] any person they find attactive. Some are in stable long standing relationships with a same sex partner. Makes them EXACTLY like my hetero friends. And I reject that marriage is a heterosexual institution. That comment was made with a blatant disregard for thousands of years of human history where marriage was anything but "one man and one woman"

Originally posted by Beowulf:
Allowing married partners or groups access to medical benefits and so on would be the responsibility of the insurer to levy appropriate premiums for those arrangements. If a company CHOSES to not cover a multiple family, fine. However, they should not be allowed to discriminate based on whether the family involved is "straight" or "gay".


Originally posted by Davo:
Wow. Okay. So under your system I'd be able to insure everyone on my block under my policy. Pretty cool idea, I guess. I'd probably make a lot of friends under that system.



If you wanted to enter into a legally binding marital argreement with your whole block where you shared familial duties with all of them, sure. I bet the insurance company would charge you a hefty premium though.

I don't know about your insurance company, but if I were married, I would pay extra to have my spouse on it, just like I currently pay more each month to include my son.

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