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Ok, so now we're seeing the opinion that homosexuality is a side-affect of some traumatic event?
Please.
Back on topic.
Legislation has been passed that completely prohibits a minority from the same rights as that of the majority. Civil Unions are still legal.
Does that not sound a LOT like separate but equal to anyone other than me?
And, my question (which has NEVER been answered, I might add) is this- How does my aunt's cousin marrying her 20-year lesbian girlfriend in MA affect anyone else's marriage in MI, for example? Stazi (and I only use you as an example because I know which state you're in, and you're recently married- nothing personal), does knowing that someone vaguely related to me being a married lesbian change how you feel about your relationship with your wife? If so, why? What is it about their happiness that is seen as a threat?
And please don't take this as an accusatory tone- it really isn't. I legitimately would like to know. It's not something that has EVER made sense to me.
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It's no threat at all. I could care less what gays do with each other.
Just don't try comparing their "marriage" to mine. My whole beef is that the application of the term "marriage" to their relationship, opens them to the possibility of fostering or adopting children (seeing as they cannot technically reproduce on their own). And to me, the upbringing of a child in a homosexual atmosphere is damaging mentally, emotionally and sociologicaly to the child.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
Legislation has been passed that completely prohibits a minority from the same rights as that of the majority. Civil Unions are still legal.
I made the point earlier (which you clearly ignored) that this happens all the time. Would you like to respond to that?
Originally posted by bishop375:
And, my question (which has NEVER been answered, I might add) is this- How does my aunt's cousin marrying her 20-year lesbian girlfriend in MA affect anyone else's marriage in MI, for example? Stazi (and I only use you as an example because I know which state you're in, and you're recently married- nothing personal), does knowing that someone vaguely related to me being a married lesbian change how you feel about your relationship with your wife? If so, why? What is it about their happiness that is seen as a threat?
And how does the murder of someone in MA affect the murder of someone in Nebraska? It doesn't. But does that mean murder should be legal in MA or NE??
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by bishop375:
Legislation has been passed that completely prohibits a minority from the same rights as that of the majority. Civil Unions are still legal.
I made the point earlier (which you clearly ignored) that this happens all the time. Would you like to respond to that?
Originally posted by bishop375:
And, my question (which has NEVER been answered, I might add) is this- How does my aunt's cousin marrying her 20-year lesbian girlfriend in MA affect anyone else's marriage in MI, for example? Stazi (and I only use you as an example because I know which state you're in, and you're recently married- nothing personal), does knowing that someone vaguely related to me being a married lesbian change how you feel about your relationship with your wife? If so, why? What is it about their happiness that is seen as a threat?
And how does the murder of someone in MA affect the murder of someone in Nebraska? It doesn't. But does that mean murder should be legal in MA or NE??
The majority spoke. They also spoke in the 50's and 60's making sure that white people had rights that black people couldn't have. Was that right? I fail to see the difference.
And, murder is illegal. Last I checked being homosexual isn't. Apples to oranges. Murder also implies harm done to someone else. Same-sex marriage does NOT cause any physical harm to anyone.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
And, murder is illegal. Last I checked being homosexual isn't.
But being married as a homosexual is. NOW it's apples-to-apples.
Originally posted by bishop375:
Apples to oranges. Murder also implies harm done to someone else. Same-sex marriage does NOT cause any physical harm to anyone.
That's not the point. The point is whether it affects someone in another state, which you brought up.
And I like how you qualified harm there. 
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You say it opens up that possibility. Well, it happens already.
And this is the big sticking point around here.
Adoption and artificial insemination are legal for gay couples here in MA. Now, why should it be illegal for them to marry, yet not adopt/give birth? Or would you rather both be illegal?
And, do you mean the upbringing being inherently damaging to the child, or do you mean by the abuse they will take from other intolerant peers?
Still more examples- having known a gay couple (both women) who had their civil union, were committed enough that they were willing to spend 10's of thousands of dollars on insemination treatments, to finally get pregnant and raise a child in what could be the most loving environment I've ever seen, how does that affect your view, or does it mean that they are an exception to the rule?
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I qualified harm because there are a lot of severely short-sighted and weak-minded people who are, in fact, emotionally disturbed by homosexuality.
And, there's a difference between something being illegal for everyone (murder) and things only being illegal for CERTAIN people (marriage).
To bring this to your frame of reference, it would be like allowing straight people to murder, but not gays. THAT is apples-to-apples.
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Originally posted by Prop 2:
â??Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman. This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage.â?
this prop does not "ban" any marriages. it simply states which marriage(s) will be recognized by the state. basically, an easy way around the issue. of course, as a typical statute usually does, it does not address the specifics, at all..it does not address common law marriage (a type of "marriage") nor does it address the possible issue of a marriage consisting of a transgender person. what then? any such cases must go before the courts of Texas, the Appellate courts and possibly the Texas Supreme Court, eventually.. which means one marriage may be allowed and another may not. it will be left up to the interpretation of the statute by the presiding court(s). this has been the situation for many common-law marriage lawsuits (for whatever issue). gotta love those statutes.
unless of course Tx already has a statute that specifically deals with common-law marriage then that point will be moot. of course, Im sure the transgender issue hasnt been raised yet.
im sure all this prop did was take an official "state" stance on the issue. im sure this is just reinforcing what has already been the common idea in Tx and what the courts have been ruling. now it's just official.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
Still more examples- having known a gay couple (both women) who had their civil union, were committed enough that they were willing to spend 10's of thousands of dollars on insemination treatments, to finally get pregnant and raise a child in what could be the most loving environment I've ever seen, how does that affect your view, or does it mean that they are an exception to the rule?
So why insist on the term marriage. Once you define marriage as anything other than and adult man and woman, then you open a can of worms. Beastiality advocates will fight for thier right to marry farm animals, polygimists will fight for thier right to marry mulitiple partners, etc.
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Originally posted by TexasRealtor:
Originally posted by bishop375:
Still more examples- having known a gay couple (both women) who had their civil union, were committed enough that they were willing to spend 10's of thousands of dollars on insemination treatments, to finally get pregnant and raise a child in what could be the most loving environment I've ever seen, how does that affect your view, or does it mean that they are an exception to the rule?
So why insist on the term marriage. Once you define marriage as anything other than and adult man and woman, then you open a can of worms. Beastiality advocates will fight for thier right to marry farm animals, polygimists will fight for thier right to marry mulitiple partners, etc.
exactly.
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