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i dont think Fox cares. why should he? he knows that nothing will change with his relationship with our government. if anything, its beneficial. all the money that is sent there has to boost their economy quite a bit.
does anyone have any reasons why he would want to stop the flow? and i dont mean wild guessing, serious real reasons whether youve read them some where or actually know.
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Yeah..... I don't think he cares either. Considering how much in US dollars flow into the Mexican economy, it'd be foolish in many ways for him to do so.
But our President should care, but also puts as much effort in securing our side of the border as Fox does his.  
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Originally posted by Tourgasm:
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
my bringing up our terrorism experiences in now way was a start to a discussion on various forms of violating immigration law. i was simply responding to your "the sky is falling" attitude toward the southern border. 
Well, whatever. You took in that direction.
Anyway, the "sky is falling" attitude that you speak of...Do you live in one of these affected states? I don't mean those that come up to your state, but actually in one of the states? Do you have to deal on a daily basis with the non-english speaking people who cross the border illegally? How about their uninsured vehicles that they drive daily? Or, how about the ones who slam into relatives cars, causing their insurance and your insurance rates to skyrocket? The "sky is falling" and it's full of illegal immigrants.
If I had the time I would be down on the border with the minutemen. I can hold a radio in one hand and some binoculars in another.
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hello...i live in los angeles. i taught in public elementary, junior and senior high schools. many of my students were or were the children of illegal immigrants. the language thing is no big deal. i cant really think of a situation in which i need to communicate with someone and cant.  its not like your house is going to catch fire, you call 911, and the operator doesnt speak any English. not to mention, i speak some spanish and my wife speaks if fluently 
as for auto insurance, that's why i have my own insurance there are tons of legal residents rolling around without insurance. better to have full coverage than hope that other people do and i dont know what wack state you live in, but here in the insurance-rape capital of the world, your rates dont go up if youre not at fault, period. doesnt matter if the other party doesnt have insurance. 
btw, legal does not = English speaking
i bet there are quite a few CEGers who have grandparents that are legal US citizens/residesnt and dont speak any English. my wife's grandmother for one.
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Originally posted by Tourgasm:
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
hello...i live in los angeles. i taught in public elementary, junior and senior high schools. many of my students were or were the children of illegal immigrants. the language thing is no big deal. i cant really think of a situation in which i need to communicate with someone and cant. its not like your house is going to catch fire, you call 911, and the operator doesnt speak any English. not to mention, i speak some spanish and my wife speaks if fluently
as for auto insurance, that's why i have my own insurance there are tons of legal residents rolling around without insurance. better to have full coverage than hope that other people do and i dont know what wack state you live in, but here in the insurance-rape capital of the world, your rates dont go up if youre not at fault, period. doesnt matter if the other party doesnt have insurance.
btw, legal does not = English speaking
i bet there are quite a few CEGers who have grandparents that are legal US citizens/residesnt and dont speak any English. my wife's grandmother for one.
If you live is LA then you should understand. English should be the national language, that way we wouldn't have to worry about all the illegals NOT speaking english and thinking they can get away with it.
And yes, the language thing is a big deal. IN Dallas, they've just started making principals LEARN spanish? WTC? This is America for crying out loud. Try making the Mexicans learn english for you!! Not gonna happen...
As for insurance? I do have full coverage insurance. I live in Texas.
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Originally posted by Woodencross:
If you live is LA then you should understand. English should be the national language, that way we wouldn't have to worry about all the illegals NOT speaking english and thinking they can get away with it.
besides your example of the poor principals being required to learn English, what would making English the official language do? it would force people to learn English? how so? would it make spanish radio/tv/magazines illegal? would companies not be allowed to advertise in spanish? would people not be allowed to talk to each other in a foreign language? i think i see where you think it would make a big difference, but in reality, i dont think it would do that much.
and btw, based on my public school teaching experience, immigrant children, whether illegal or not, strive to learn English. it may not be to the educational standards but kids actually get made fun of for not speaking English, by other immigrant kids who have learned it. i have met many adults who speak only spanish/chinese/armenian/whatever and their kids translate for them. I covered some ESL classes before. most of the kids in there spoke more English than I speak Spanish.
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
If you live is LA then you should understand. English should be the national language, that way we wouldn't have to worry about all the illegals NOT speaking english and thinking they can get away with it.
besides your example of the poor principals being required to learn English, what would making English the official language do? it would force people to learn English? how so? would it make spanish radio/tv/magazines illegal? would companies not be allowed to advertise in spanish? would people not be allowed to talk to each other in a foreign language? i think i see where you think it would make a big difference, but in reality, i dont think it would do that much.
and btw, based on my public school teaching experience, immigrant children, whether illegal or not, strive to learn English. it may not be to the educational standards but kids actually get made fun of for not speaking English, by other immigrant kids who have learned it. i have met many adults who speak only spanish/chinese/armenian/whatever and their kids translate for them. I covered some ESL classes before. most of the kids in there spoke more English than I speak Spanish.
it doesn't have anything to do with the legality of a foreign language. I never said let's make all other languages illegal. It has EVERYTHING to to do with the attitude of those who come into our country. If I go to a foreign country, I do not expect them to learn my language. It's THEIR COUNTRY. There's nothing wrong with speaking/advertising/programming in a foreign language. It's the fact that they come here expecting to do business in America, thinking they can do whatever they want. And in the business I work in, security, I deal with Mexicans who don't speak any English all day. And in all reality, it's HORRIBLE.
What it has done is create a lower-socioeconomic class, almost like a slave class that does the work "Americans don't want to do." They mow our lawns, the paint our fences, and they break their backs building our houses, they clean our buildings, and in the meantime, they are living substandard lives in America. It's nothing to see 10 Mexicans stuffed in the cab of a Ford F-350 Four door pickup, with 10 more in the bed. There's something wrong here.
You think all I care about is the legality of the language and the illegal border crossings? You're wrong. The lives of millions of Mexicans are put at risk on a daily basis because of the lives they lead when they come here illegally. They put the lives of millions of Americans at risk when they come here illegally.
It's all about the attitude. Unfortunately, somebody along the way in American history decided that Americans and those who come to America, can get whatever whenever they want. Well, I and many others are tired of paying for the health, education, and welfare of these illegal immigrants...There are legal ways to come into the country!! Even if it does take a long time. The government doesn't allow a crime victim to take the law into their own hands simply because the criminal court is a long and drawn out process. Nor should we allow immigrants to cross our borders illegally and live a life in our country simply because the Naturalization process is a long and drawn out process.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Oh, ok, so its ok, gotcha. When the next terrorist attack happens inside our borders (and it will), I hope people such as yourself who justify this action realize how stupid of an attitude you display is.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
So its ok for anyone to come into the country ILLEGALLY (not aka Mexican, its aka CRIMINAL). But hey, if you want to pay for all the medical expenses they get while being illegal, for the car accidents, etc etc etc etc. If you think its about race you are just wrong. Its called a CRIMINAL act, and its an unfortnate FACT, that the MAJORITY of the illegal immigrants are LATINOs. PERIOD.
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I don't know, when I hear things like "the mexicans are taking over" and "I wish somebody would do something about all these illegals (aka mexicans)" it makes me think there is a little bit of hostility there.
especially with our new found Patriotism after 9/11 doesn't surprise me one bit that someone would try to keep out all these 'non American terrorists'
Sorry but you assuming that everyone coming here is somehow negatively effecting people is one reason why you may be given this stereotype. Everyone has their own story to why they want to come here and not all of it is bad. I can't stand for something thats so "wrong" when its how this country was built. Now granted there are illegals causing trouble but everyone has their own story and reasons. Gaining citizenship is such a long process and it makes it difficult for some folks.
On, and I was just thinkin outloud about the other stuff and what I usually hear when people refer to illegals. 
my attitude is not stupid, I just don't live my life on high alert.
I am not worried about immigrants using our "resources" as we've got a much bigger problem with LEGAL citizens using our system.
But since you guys are on such high alert and in fear of terrorist attacks due to illegal immigrants (from Mexico of all places) maybe we should just shut the borders down. Nobody leave, nobody come in? Sounds good to me.
And please don't start with the having to learn english thing. A big problem with that is that most Americans assume a person is illiterate if they don't speak english. To me, forcing someone to speak english is pretty much robbing them of their heritage. You speak of non english speaking people as if they are purposely refusing to speak english just to make your life harder and spreading all their crappy heritage on your American soil.
I would love to see you move to another country and see how long it takes you to become fluent in another language while people bust your ass for not knowing their language the moment you step foot in their country.
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Originally posted by ZetecNinja:
my attitude is not stupid, I just don't live my life on high alert.
And what is this about using our resources? What shortage of resources do we have? I am not worried about any illegals using our "resources".
we've got a much bigger problem with LEGAL citizens using our system.
But since you guys are on such high alert and in fear of terrorist attacks due to illegal immigrants maybe we should just shut the borders down. Nobody leave, nobody come in? Sounds good to me.
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Yes, the ILLEGALS USE OUR RESOURCES by crossing the border illegally, using our school systems for their children, using our free public hospitals because they don't have their own healthcare, using our welfare system to survive, work for cash under the table taking away a huge tax base, and send a lot if not most of their income (whatever little it may be) back to Mexico. THOSE ARE AMERICAN RESOURCES THAT THEY ARE USING!
You ask about a shortage of resources? It's called "limited resources." The more that is spent on illegal immigrants means the less we have for Americans.
As for Americans using American's resources? Hmmmm, what could possibly be wrong with an American using AMERICAN resources? Of course, we there are those Americans who use the system ILLEGALLY for their own good. But aside from those, what is wrong with an American citizen using the system properly that has been set up for him/her?
As for shutting the borders down? It might not be a bad idea for a while, or at least until we can get our own problems figured out!!
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