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Originally posted by Viss1: Originally posted by csvtjohnga: ur not racist.its just the media taking things outta praportion
Did you read the article?
Anyone know exactly what process the Minutemen use when they find illegals crossing the border? Do they detain them?
IMO it'd be nice if in addition to patrolling the border, the Minutemen could lobby the administration to take a harder line against illegal immigration.
They alert the INS to the presence of illegals. The Minutemen are mostly there for a visual deterrent.
The accusations of racism against Mexicans are preposterous. Look at the location. When you are watching the Mexican border, the likelyhood that you are going to encounter Mexicans is substantially higher than if they were watching the Canadian border.
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Originally posted by Woodencross: Originally posted by svt4stv: Originally posted by Woodencross: Originally posted by svt4stv: Originally posted by RTStabler51: Oh, ok, so its ok, gotcha. When the next terrorist attack happens inside our borders (and it will), I hope people such as yourself who justify this action realize how stupid of an attitude you display is.
iirc, all three terrorist attacks we have experienced (including OK) were executed by people who were in the country legally.
Actually, no. I think you should do a little more research...
so youre telling me that the guys who tried to blow up the WTC and the guys who crashed into it snuck across the border?
Because that's the ONLY illegal way to enter the country? 
Use your brain dude. There are plenty of illegals here who enter "legally" with student visas/work visas and then stay past their legal time. Hence, here illegally...
i knew exactly what you were talking about but i wanted to hear you say it. so as long as our borders with mexico and canada our secure, jihad wackos wont use phony papers or stay past expired visas anymore. will they all of a sudden be overcome with guilt and remorse? "since they dont want illegals crossing the border, maybe i shouldnt overstay my visa. i guess i should make sure that my jihad is completed before my visa is expired. for the sake of doing it legally." re-read what you said above, initially, to having a completely secured border with mexico. that was a really weak rationale. i expect better from you.
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Originally posted by svt4stv: Originally posted by Woodencross: Originally posted by svt4stv: Originally posted by Woodencross: Originally posted by svt4stv: Originally posted by RTStabler51: Oh, ok, so its ok, gotcha. When the next terrorist attack happens inside our borders (and it will), I hope people such as yourself who justify this action realize how stupid of an attitude you display is.
iirc, all three terrorist attacks we have experienced (including OK) were executed by people who were in the country legally.
Actually, no. I think you should do a little more research...
so youre telling me that the guys who tried to blow up the WTC and the guys who crashed into it snuck across the border?
Because that's the ONLY illegal way to enter the country?
Use your brain dude. There are plenty of illegals here who enter "legally" with student visas/work visas and then stay past their legal time. Hence, here illegally...
i knew exactly what you were talking about but i wanted to hear you say it. so as long as our borders with mexico and canada our secure, jihad wackos wont use phony papers or stay past expired visas anymore. will they all of a sudden be overcome with guilt and remorse? "since they dont want illegals crossing the border, maybe i shouldnt overstay my visa. i guess i should make sure that my jihad is completed before my visa is expired. for the sake of doing it legally." re-read what you said above, initially, to having a completely secured border with mexico. that was a really weak rationale. i expect better from you.
Wouldn't you agree that it would be easier to enter Mexico undetected and then enter through our "open" border?
For the Simpsons fans out there, this reminds me of when Mr.Burns and Smithers are at the power plant marching down hallways to the "Get Smart" theme music, on their way to get to a secret room. Having to go through anal security protocols like retinal scans and the like to get to the secret room. Once they finally get there, they see a screen door falling off of it's hinges and a stray dog that wondered in.
I'm not implying that Latin people are animals, BTW. What I am saying is that a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Our national security is compromised by not having a secure boarder.
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Originally posted by Swazo: Wouldn't you agree that it would be easier to enter Mexico undetected and then enter through our "open" border?
of course its easier to enter through the mexican border. but the terrorists havent done that. they have entered though the airport with our blessings.
i guess they figure its easier (and safer) to get in via an "invitation" then sneaking in.
what im saying is, our border is leaky as hell yet that's not the route they chose. in fact, if our borders were ultra-tight, they would still be getting in. all it takes is the "getting in" part. whether or not they convert to "illegal" status when theyre already in doesnt do much for the situation now does it. besides, this thread was about our porous border, not about being "illegal by technicality". talk about apples and oranges
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Originally posted by svt4stv: i knew exactly what you were talking about but i wanted to hear you say it. so as long as our borders with mexico and canada our secure, jihad wackos wont use phony papers or stay past expired visas anymore. will they all of a sudden be overcome with guilt and remorse? "since they dont want illegals crossing the border, maybe i shouldnt overstay my visa. i guess i should make sure that my jihad is completed before my visa is expired. for the sake of doing it legally." re-read what you said above, initially, to having a completely secured border with mexico. that was a really weak rationale. i expect better from you.
Dude, we're talking about illegal immigration from Mexico here. If you want to talk about other illegal immigration, fine. I think we should start searching out these people who stay past their visa time. If they aren't out the day their visa expires, arrest and deport. Arrest and deport. Don't stop until it's done.
This shouldn't be a simple endeavor and a one day thing. Homeland security should be all over this like white on rice. Granted, I understand the whole "limited resource" thing, but wouldn't this also have to do with effect use of resources?
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Originally posted by Woodencross: Dude, we're talking about illegal immigration from Mexico here. If you want to talk about other illegal immigration, fine.
um, youre the one that brought it up
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Originally posted by svt4stv: Originally posted by Woodencross: Dude, we're talking about illegal immigration from Mexico here. If you want to talk about other illegal immigration, fine.
um, youre the one that brought it up
Um, actually no! 
Originally posted by Woodencross: Originally posted by svt4stv: Originally posted by Woodencross: Originally posted by svt4stv: Originally posted by RTStabler51: Oh, ok, so its ok, gotcha. When the next terrorist attack happens inside our borders (and it will), I hope people such as yourself who justify this action realize how stupid of an attitude you display is.
iirc, all three terrorist attacks we have experienced (including OK) were executed by people who were in the country legally.
Actually, no. I think you should do a little more research...
so youre telling me that the guys who tried to blow up the WTC and the guys who crashed into it snuck across the border?
Because that's the ONLY illegal way to enter the country? 
Use your brain dude. There are plenty of illegals here who enter "legally" with student visas/work visas and then stay past their legal time. Hence, here illegally...
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exactly. hello? you said began by saying our loose borders will lead to terrorist activities and i responded by saying that of the three terrorist attacks we have experienced to date, none had crossed the border illegaly (the subject of our topic). then you went on about how the terrorists who attacked wtc over-stayed their welcome and that not all illegal aliens cross the border  jeez dude my bringing up our terrorism experiences in now way was a start to a discussion on various forms of violating immigration law. i was simply responding to your "the sky is falling" attitude toward the southern border.
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There are MANY reasons to secure our borders. National security and immigration issues can be better dealt with, with a secure border.
We should also make an attempt at reforming immigration laws. President Fox needs to step up and make an effort to build a better relationship with us in that aspect, rather than just point fingers and ignore the issues at hand.
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if you dont like how border patrol is handling things call your local government representative, if you dont like that go work for border patrol, if that is not enough sit down and STFU. What is it with people forming groups to go snitch on border crossers. Don't they have jobs to do? If you have enough time to volunteer to sit at the border and point people out. There are lots of things I dont like, but we cant all start our own malitia type groups to get things going. Lets all wear army fatigues, give our selves fake military positions, and chase Mexicans.
Can I be a make believe general?
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