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Good article written by someone who's written many other good articles previously, so no surprise to me there. I think the overall point being made is that, as a whole, in a nation that claims 85% Christianity in some form or another, 33% of which go to church at least once a week, according to the numbers he quoted, our words don't line up with our actions when we look at the numbers (facts), whether those numbers surround family (divorce/abortion/single parenting/adultery/etc), giving (giving on a national scale/foreign aid/charitable giving/church tithing/etc), and a few other categories he highlighted. He talked about per capita giving numbers versus other civilized nations, he talked about how the church seems to be pandering to the needs of the people, rather than adhering to the radical message of Jesus, and that in the process it is IMHO compromising itself (read becoming less effective) in the process, that the pandering centers around self improvement, around anything "self" centered really, rather than the other centered message Christ taught. He gave the specific example of when the rich man asked Jesus what he should do, and how Christ told him to sell everything he had and follow Him, that Christ didn't tell him to invest, spend, and use trickle down economics. The author hinted at environmental accountabilities being Biblical. He hit on a widespread number of topics but overall his message to me centered around being self centered and not other centered, and that quite possibly were we to really embrace being other centered, our culture and society would be much better off if we'd really stick to the two greatest commandments, love God and love your neighbor as yourself. In this respect at least, I wholeheartedly agree.


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"unfortunately, by having a low paying job, apartment and two kids, she is doomed to a life buried deep within the poverty level anyways. youre damned if you do and damned if you dont

and before anybody spouts off that she shouldnt have kids if she cant afford them, we dont know if she was married and her husband died, or left her and doesnt contribute or what. some times people are unwittingly thrown into hard times."


Now was that be fruitful and then multiply or was it to multiply first and then try to be fruitful later?

"Lord told Adam and Eve on the sixth day of creation according to Genesis 1:28"

Now tell me what is meant by fruitful and is there an order to things that has been missed with that statement?

Does multiply mean to have your own children or to bring people into your home? Both increase the size of your family.

What works best one bread winner and one child bearer or one bread winner and many child bearers where the burden of daily chores can be spread out among many people (woman).

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Originally posted by Woodencross:
Don't ask that...

Read the Bible. That's all that matters...



I have read portions of it, and I've noted that different sects of Christianity have different interpretations of what it says. I'm trying to figure out which Christian groups agree with my interpretations.

BTW, thanks t-red2000se for the explanation.


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Originally posted by Woodencross:
Originally posted by Viss1:
Sounds clear to me. Thanks. Do all of Christianity's sects include this part of the philosophy?




Don't ask that...

Read the Bible. That's all that matters...




That's like saying you can know Trigonometry 12 when you are in grade 7 because you 'read the book'. Isa 8:30,31

Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
If you want to talk about works being a part of being saved, then we'll talk.



If I might butt in, I'd like to hear more about what the Bible says about this subject. I've been told that one's actions - good or bad - prior to believing in Jesus' sacrifice are basically not a part of the equation. I have a different view, and am curious to hear your thoughts.




James 2:14,26 - works don't = faith for salvation but a true faith, as the article mentions, is going to show obedience to the faith and strong desire to be self-less.

Isa 1:18 - That's right, our past sins are forgotten when you accept the sin atoning ransom sacrifice.
And while God may repay one for certain services previously rendered(good works done in harmony with his Will), final divine approval and blessing come to those who continue to serve him wholeheartedly.



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Originally posted by Cris'pus:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
Originally posted by Viss1:
Sounds clear to me. Thanks. Do all of Christianity's sects include this part of the philosophy?




Don't ask that...

Read the Bible. That's all that matters...




That's like saying you can know Trigonometry 12 when you are in grade 7 because you 'read the book'. Isa 8:30,31






The only reason I said this was because it doesn't matter what a sect of Christianity says. It matters what the Bible says. The Bible is the inerrant word of God!


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I agree with you there, that it should not matter what any sect of Christianity says. Read the Bible and form your own conclusions. Far too many people let the church tell them what they should believe; you should believe the Bible above all else.


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Originally posted by Woodencross:
Originally posted by Cris'pus:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
Originally posted by Viss1:
Sounds clear to me. Thanks. Do all of Christianity's sects include this part of the philosophy?




Don't ask that...

Read the Bible. That's all that matters...




That's like saying you can know Trigonometry 12 when you are in grade 7 because you 'read the book'. Isa 8:30,31






The only reason I said this was because it doesn't matter what a sect of Christianity says. It matters what the Bible says. The Bible is the inerrant word of God!



Which translation is inerrant?


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Originally posted by spgoode:

Which translation is inerrant?




The original Greek for the New Testament, and the original Hebrew, and you might even be able to include the Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament) in there. That is one of the difficulties of using the Bible today. How do we know that the version we are using has correctly translated the original Greek? This is the reason that I have to learn both Greek & Hebrew for my Masters of Divinity degree.

This is also the reason that most Bible translations are done by teams of scholars, especially if they are trying to be accurate and right.

A couple of interesting facts:
The original manuscripts not only did not have verse chapter numbers, they didn't have spaces between words or punctuation marks. These were things that were added in the early 3rd or 4th century.


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Originally posted by Mines SVT:
This is the reason that I have to learn both Greek & Hebrew for my Masters of Divinity degree.





we already have enough "Masters of Divinity" here in ceg


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