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Originally posted by TheAlmightyMe:
In the instance of Katrina, these are persons that do need assistance, and no, I do not feel they should be passed by. I have not ignored these persons, and niether should the rest of us.
People that now have nothing due to a catastophic natural disaster are not economic 'freeloaders'. These are not persons begging for handouts because they choose to disassociate themselve from the socio-economic culture of this nation. They are begging and asking for assistance as they have NOTHING else. The bum on the street corner and the marooned citizens of New Orleans are two completely different creatures that I do not combine.
What if they were economic freeloaders before the hurricanes hit? The reason that the New Orleans hurricane was such a trajedy is because it hit a city full of economice freeloaders. Yes, these people should be given food, water, clothing, temporary housing, of course. However, what about after all this is over. Will it be back to collecting welfare checks? You betcha. Is this a Christian principle? I don't think so.
They may be different, but completely different? I don't know.
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Originally posted by Big_B:
Originally posted by TheAlmightyMe:
In the instance of Katrina, these are persons that do need assistance, and no, I do not feel they should be passed by. I have not ignored these persons, and niether should the rest of us.
People that now have nothing due to a catastophic natural disaster are not economic 'freeloaders'. These are not persons begging for handouts because they choose to disassociate themselve from the socio-economic culture of this nation. They are begging and asking for assistance as they have NOTHING else. The bum on the street corner and the marooned citizens of New Orleans are two completely different creatures that I do not combine.
What if they were economic freeloaders before the hurricanes hit? The reason that the New Orleans hurricane was such a trajedy is because it hit a city full of economice freeloaders. Yes, these people should be given food, water, clothing, temporary housing, of course. However, what about after all this is over. Will it be back to collecting welfare checks? You betcha. Is this a Christian principle? I don't think so.
They may be different, but completely different? I don't know.
As there were some 'freeloaders' in NO prior to Katrina, now everyone is pretty much in the same soggy bucket. Hopefully the rebuilding will provide the 'freeloaders' with an oppurtunity to become contributors. I'm a realist and do realize that not all will move away from freeloading, however, by averages some will.
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Originally posted by Big_B:
I live next to a guy who purposely works only 12 hours each week so that he can earn just the right amount of income to still receive his welfare reimbursement. He will never have anything because by using his screwed up rationale he has condemned himself to a life just above the poverty level. Every city in the country is full of these so called "poor" people.
I did speak with a woman from New Orleans last week on my lunch hour. She left after the hurricane and came here. What was she doing here? Getting a job (probably low paying, but a job anyway), finding an apartment, taking care of her 2 small children. I had nothing but respect for this young lady. There is a difference between simply being poor or facing unfortunate circumstances and being a complete nuisance on me and the rest of society.
unfortunately, by having a low paying job, apartment and two kids, she is doomed to a life buried deep within the poverty level anyways. youre damned if you do and damned if you dont 
and before anybody spouts off that she shouldnt have kids if she cant afford them, we dont know if she was married and her husband died, or left her and doesnt contribute or what. some times people are unwittingly thrown into hard times.
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
Originally posted by Big_B:
I live next to a guy who purposely works only 12 hours each week so that he can earn just the right amount of income to still receive his welfare reimbursement. He will never have anything because by using his screwed up rationale he has condemned himself to a life just above the poverty level. Every city in the country is full of these so called "poor" people.
I did speak with a woman from New Orleans last week on my lunch hour. She left after the hurricane and came here. What was she doing here? Getting a job (probably low paying, but a job anyway), finding an apartment, taking care of her 2 small children. I had nothing but respect for this young lady. There is a difference between simply being poor or facing unfortunate circumstances and being a complete nuisance on me and the rest of society.
unfortunately, by having a low paying job, apartment and two kids, she is doomed to a life buried deep within the poverty level anyways. youre damned if you do and damned if you dont
and before anybody spouts off that she shouldnt have kids if she cant afford them, we dont know if she was married and her husband died, or left her and doesnt contribute or what. some times people are unwittingly thrown into hard times.
At this point she is a prime candidate for public assistance. Being below the poverty level,female, and with two children She can easily aquire education grats and scholarships to go to school, earn a degree. While in school, public assistance covers the child care costs. Once she completes here education, she will be better equiped to get begin a career. People do it. My sister just graduated college paid for by public assistance grants and she never could have done it with out them. However, in the case of my sister she made the choice to use what was available to further improve herself.
In the US you are doomed to stay in any particular caste. You just have to work for what you want. Some have to work harder than others, and some have to work real hard.
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However, is it really right for my tax money to pay for a person to goto college and pay for her kids? Grants are privately funded so this is a different story, but what about public money being used for this? This is why government and religion should never go together. I agree, I don't want to pay for somebody who lives on welfare by choice. My girlfriend calls drug users "Retarded by choice."
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When I think of good capitalists, I think of Carnegie - if I remember correctly, his business practices earned him about $360 million, and he donated 90-some percent of that to charities. I've had my share of the city and ran across a number of people living on the streets. They're not all high-school dropouts turned into winos. I've even briefly conversed with a couple of them who seemed fairly intelligent. The fact does remain though, that many of them are freeloaders who will not get a job, and will beg for money for the rest of their lives. Fine, if that's the lifestyle they're content with. Indeed, throwing them money doesn't really help their situation. However, I strongly believe that we should help out the ones who are ready and willing to get back on their feet. Regardless, if a bum asks me for money, he usually gets it and I hope that he at least spends it on food and not booze.
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I can guess what I said that you have a problem with! 
Originally posted by Davo:
What discussion did you start? All you did was post an article. Those who responded are the ones that started the discussion. Since your post simply contained an article some may consider inflammatory, and no opening of discussion, your post was flamebait.
Stereotyped? Stereotyping is done only with limited input. I think we have plenty of information to classify you the way we do. The claim of being stereotyped is usually a defense mechanism against reasonable judgement that those being judged are uncomfortable with.
Yes, I posted an article that instigated a discussion to which you are not contributing. If you must know, I was on my way to class and figured I'd just post the article and jump in on the discussion when I had more free time. FYI you do have limited input about me - you only know me through this online site, and that is not enough by which to judge someone. For the record, yes, I am uncomfortable with being judged. I haven't done that to anyone else here, so you'd think I'd get the same courtesy. Not that I'm surprised; people like you seem to have a problem with people like me, and I can't say that it's not with good reason.
Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by Big_B:
At my church the pastor does have sermons on how debt, personal finances, and other monetary matters.
of course he does. the tithe basket depends on it. last couple times i went to church it seemed like they were passing that thing around for the whole service.
Another thing I hate about churches. Matthew 6:24: "No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Riches."
Originally posted by Big_B:
There is a difference between simply being poor or facing unfortunate circumstances and being a complete nuisance on me and the rest of society.
Very true. Therein is the key, I think. However, the article addressed things far beyond the perspective of domestic poverty on an individual basis. Don't forget that the majority of the world's population lives in poverty-stricken countries, and one of the article's points was that the USA as a nation donates very little to help people in such a situation. Unlike in this country, they wouldn't be able to get out of a life of povetry even if they wanted to. For better or worse, government assistance is unheard of.
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Originally posted by Rishodi:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
I can guess what I said that you have a problem with!
Well, since you really didn't say ANYTHING, maybe you should tell me what you think I have a problem with!!
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Originally posted by Rishodi:
Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by Big_B:
At my church the pastor does have sermons on how debt, personal finances, and other monetary matters.
of course he does. the tithe basket depends on it. last couple times i went to church it seemed like they were passing that thing around for the whole service.
Another thing I hate about churches. Matthew 6:24: "No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Riches."
Quick reminder, God did tell his followers to tithe 10% of their income to the religious authorities, and if I remember correctly there was a little something in Matthew about giving to God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar. I think I see where you are going with this though, as a lot of times the funds in churches get misused and misguided, through the greed and legalistic tendencies of the humans running the church.
My $.02.
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Originally posted by Woodencross:
Originally posted by Rishodi:
Originally posted by Woodencross:
I can guess what I said that you have a problem with!
Well, since you really didn't say ANYTHING, maybe you should tell me what you think I have a problem with!!
Okay, well I could be wrong - but I figured you were shaking your head at my argument against the "once saved, always saved" belief in my post directly above yours. If that's not it though, feel free to tell me what did possess you to make the post with the single emoticon of disapproval.
Originally posted by Mines SVT:
Quick reminder, God did tell his followers to tithe 10% of their income to the religious authorities, and if I remember correctly there was a little something in Matthew about giving to God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar.
Whoa there, I don't ever remember God saying anything about tithes, but feel free to correct me if you can back that up with scriptures. A quick Google search yielded a couple of good sites on the subject:
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3658/tithing.html
http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=161
And you're right about the second part, Jesus did instruct to do just as you said, after he was asked whether or not tax should be paid to Caesar. Mark 12:13-17 if you're interested.
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