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Not to sound harsh, I think it's great that the Mazda6 now has a header option out there, but why do we care? It's been said before and unless I missed the memo otherwise, the rear header WILL NOT work for us 
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Come now, that kind of attitude keeps the platform dead. Someone mentioned the rear header would work with an adapter or modification of some sort. If nothing else, CP-e would have no problem redesigning a single header to fit another platform and double their market potential.
Call, email or visit Josh and Anthony and tell them the "infamous" 84FordMan sent you.
And yes I miscalculated drivetrain loss a great bit (And nothing to drink today), but 261 BHP from intake and headers is still an awesome number.
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Originally posted by Twisted6:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Not for that price I don't.
I can take $1700 with stock SVT exhaust on a 3L and make 196 wHP, already did it....without headers. With headers it'll be well over 200.
And as I said, with proper fuel tuning (Which is fairly common on this board from all my reading) it does well north of 200 to the wheels. Since CP-e has yet to publish the dyno of their intake and headers combo, a little birdie that was present said something about 261. Though we know it did "dyno well better" than a 255 HP Altima, so at least in the 240s to 250s. That is also without SVT intake cams
Where did you get $1700 from? Even the price after the promo introduction pricing ends is not $1700. To top it off, the CP-e y-pipe would not even be useable on the Tour platform.
The full pipe setup and shipping and handling.
Whatever, the pipes are too damned expensive for what you get. You even said in your post that they fiddled with the A/F.
So then the headers may not really be gaining all that power. I'm willing to bet that proper tuning and light mods will get it into the 190s without the headers.
Oh, and an Altima dyno's less than you/they are indicating, at least stock. The ones I remember are between 200-210.
With a fine tuned 3L with VVT and headers, I'd expect it to get around that anyway.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure that they are full of it if they are claiming it will dyno 261HP. I'm guessing they are backcalculating the power to the crank since it dyno'd slightly better than an altima.
Okay, not trying to rain on your parade and these headers may be all that and more...but I just am going to remain skeptical and also flabbergasted at the price. The price is high only because they have no competition and demand is probably low right now. Just like SHM headers were in the early days of the SVT.
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You are correct in assuming it would get in the 190s without the headers. Here it is, bone 6S MTX vs 6S MTX with CP-e MAFci intake system:
As you see, both the intake and headers gained roughly 20 WHP seperately. Together? Come on.
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It is similar to the SHM price. I expected the final price to be similar to that, but not the group buy price. The final, non GB price is indeed $1700. These are also unforunately the only equal-length headers for the M6. And the only other headers on the market are shorty MSDS and DC Sport, but neither of which can claim any considerable gains.
Also keep in mind that the full package comes with a new alternator bracket, y-pipe with highflow cat and a kit to extend the O2 wires. For an introductory price of $1300, there will be enough M6 people to turn a profit. But I still think they're pricing too high and turning off a lot of potentional customers.
I don't think they fiddled with any A/F at all though, I don't know where that idea came from. I think the dyno was on a well-broken in, but bonestock, '05. They commited the cardinal sin of estimating BHP with their intake (24HP total gain overall, more at points in the curve) AND the headers. They also do a lot of work on Altimas so that comment probably just meant they dynoed WHP higher than a stock Altima SE-R.
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They didn't fiddle with the A/F ratio, which is what I am driving across, the factory A/F ratios are skewed, which is why the CP-e MAFci intake system sees such a huge gain.
Yes the donor's car was well broken-in, as time per se, but not well, as in hard, broken-in, otherwise the stock dyno pull would be 180ish, like falcontx's or Sigma's and everyone else who broke their MTX V6 in the hard way.
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I didn't get a chance to swing by before I left (spent my Monday at a dealer). I return stateside after the first but am heading right back out again. By mid january though, I'll be going home to Charleston and will have my SVT back up in Md and will swing by then and see what can be done about a new rear header.
Twisted6, does that seem fair to you?
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Originally posted by 69Boss302:
I didn't get a chance to swing by before I left (spent my Monday at a dealer). I return stateside after the first but am heading right back out again. By mid january though, I'll be going home to Charleston and will have my SVT back up in Md and will swing by then and see what can be done about a new rear header.
Twisted6, does that seem fair to you?
Mike
Me? I don't really care, just try to bring some cheer everyone once awhile to the grumpy "old" CEG'ers here with a potential new product. 
Be safe and have a happy holidays.
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Hell, if they are open on a Saturday, I can trailer the SVT Contour to them ... I live in the eastern panhandle of WV ... about a 75-80 mile drive from Beltsville, MD. However, I must first get the Contour up and running, which I'm hoping will be around the first of the year 
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Originally posted by fastcougar:
Hell, if they are open on a Saturday, I can trailer the SVT Contour to them ... I live in the eastern panhandle of WV ... about a 75-80 mile drive from Beltsville, MD. However, I must first get the Contour up and running, which I'm hoping will be around the first of the year
Not sure, call them: 410-703-9365
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