Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums General Common Interests From the "Athiests with too much time on their hands" file.

Just out of curiosity I looked into a few of these.

Originally posted by Woodencross:

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1. A kid in Plano can't take CANDY CANES with a HISTORICAL STORY about the candy cane and how it was created to school, because the "liberals" have scared the public school.

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The messages on the candy canes related a legend of how candy canes were invented by a candymaker who wanted to pay tribute to Jesus. He chose hard candy because Jesus is â�?��?the rock of ages,â�?� and a J-shape for obvious reasons. This might not sound religious to you, but it sure does to me.

Would you be as supportive of some kid who brings in Ramadan treats for everyone with a message saying â�?��?Abdul the candymaker created these back in 500 BC to commemorate the life of Mohammed?â�?� If so, I'd respect your consistency. I'd be skeptical that many other supporters of this kid would agree, though.

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2. A judge is forced to resign because of a rock that had the Ten Commandments inscribed on it, while in the same courthouses throughout the country, other religious artifacts hang on the walls.

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Rule of law issues aside, this all boils down to whether you consider the Christian concept of God to be the basis of law, as the Judge in question did. I think if the founding fathers intended for that to be the case, they would have drafted the Constitution with a much more theological bent.

BTW Iâ�?��?�m not sure what â�?��?other religious artifactsâ�?� youâ�?��?�re referring to.

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3. A valedictorian of a highschool must get approval for a prayer because it might offend somebody. But that same valedictorian would need no approval were he/she to say a simple encouraging speech.

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This one I didnâ�?��?�t bother to read up onâ�?�¦ you either think it represents involuntary prayer or you don't.

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4. Schools won't give churches the same right to use their gyms for activities as they give to other groups for fear of being sued.

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Not sure if you���?�re referring to a specific case, but if it occurs during school hours or is publicly-funded, I have no problem with prohibiting it. Religion does have to be treated differently from secular activities.

So based on these and other situations over the years, I need to ask why Christians are the group most frequently trying to push the boundaries of where religion belongs in public places. Could it be that Christianity is not under â�?��?attack by the liberals,â�?� but rather the rest of us have to play defense against conservative Christians who think their religion should be allowed without question in public places/entities?

Further, how has anyone "destroyed the rights of millions?" Is there some ban on practicing Christianity that I don't know about? Did 75% of the country suddenly lose the right to go to church? Is the 95% of Congress that is Christian under threat of removal due to their religion?

And FWIW I think the attempt to remove the crosses from the logo is moronic.

If some local governmental entity forbade a christian fundamentalist group from having a meeting on private property, because of the nature or message of the group, on whose side do you think the ACLU would be then?

Hey, ya gotta love the mindset of "we're a democracy, so what ever the majority wants should be the norm" as is substantially stated above. So this is what you'd champion: Perhaps there is now (or soon will be) a congressional district somewhere with a majority of its local registered voters being devout Muslims, who would attempt to put into place in public schools by their local majority vote a version of the Pledge of Allegiance saying "under Allah". The minority evangelical kids would be able to silently sit through it while feeling absolutely NO peer/community pressure to join the others who stand and recite it out loud every day like good, proud Americans.

It's ironic that some of the same people squawking about the separation of church and state issue today had grandparents who voted for Nixon in 1960 because they were certain the papist running against him would take orders directly from the Vatican.