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Originally posted by sigma:
His point is that anyone that stayed in New Orleans that was fully capable of leaving but chose not to, got what was coming to them. Not those that couldn't leave because the resources weren't there.
there were 10 specific points made in the first post. not one of those points relate to the points you've made.
Originally posted by sigma:
They only complained after the fact, when the government wasn't there to help them fast enough, despite the fact that if they had done what they were told in the first place the speed of their reaction after the fact would be a moot point.
so the failure of one set of plans excuses the failure of another? i'm well aware of critical path but rescue, recovery, and support plans were executed dismally. i'm not convinced this was because of the number of people who didn't evacuate or those who complained after the fact.
Originally posted by sigma:
It's kinda like when your car is broken-down on the railroad tracks and the crossing bucks go down and you just sit there in your car, and when the train hits you and you become paralyzed from the accident it's the train's fault, or the government's fault for making it possible to sit on the tracks with a train coming, or the tow truck's fault for not coming fast enough to push you out of the way when all you had to do was get out of the friggin' car. You got what you had coming to you.
that analogy is a reach. keep in mind the majority of people who stayed behind were mainly in two groups: those who didn't have the means to get out (poor and elderly), and those who had the means to get out but wanted to stay anyway (hard-headed and mostly better off than the first group).
the main points made throughout that post was preparedness, planning, prepare, prepared. and because nola had done that inadequately they deserved the pending devestation.
that to me ridiculous and again i ask, did the US deserve 9/11 and does the incompetence or neglect of a leader (or their staff) make their constituents deserving of harm? this is the same reason we were susceptible to attacks on the twin towers and it was pulled off virtually without a hitch by the terrorists.
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Originally posted by BP:
i ask, did the US deserve 9/11 and does the incompetence or neglect of a leader (or their staff) make their constituents deserving of harm? this is the same reason we were susceptible to attacks on the twin towers and it was pulled off virtually without a hitch by the terrorists.
Nobody deserved anything (either 9/11 or the hurricane)...
BUT... Lets say there was a warning about a week prior to the planes hitting. Everyone that had the ability to leave the place because they thought they could "ride it out" sure in the hell deserved it.
BUT because there was no warning about 9/11, it makes this a totally different scenario, and the NYC mayor (and all the other city workers) actually could handle a disater. New Orleans didn't have a plan, had warnings, and after the disater couldn't make their own plans to handle it.
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Today we are seeing the difference between competent and intelligent state and local leadership (Texas), and incompetent buffoons who are only good at passing blame around (Louisiana).
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Originally posted by Kane:
BUT... Lets say there was a warning about a week prior to the planes hitting. Everyone that had the ability to leave the place because they thought they could "ride it out" sure in the hell deserved it.
first you say no one deserved it and then you say they did deserve it. qualifying your second statement doesn't exclude the first. which one is it?
Originally posted by Kane:
BUT because there was no warning about 9/11, it makes this a totally different scenario, and the NYC mayor (and all the other city workers) actually could handle a disater. New Orleans didn't have a plan, had warnings, and after the disater couldn't make their own plans to handle it.
we've had YEARS of warnings about terror attacks on US soil. the WTC has been targeted before. the FBI was even tracking the terrorists who flew the planes into the WTC and were extremely suspicious of their actions because of the partial flight school training. the 9/11 committee pointed out several mistakes made by our intelligence agencies which could have prevented the attacks. but the ball was dropped anyway. it may not have been as big of a warning as a hurricane coming at you 15 miles an hour, but the warnings were there. by your logic we deserved 9/11 because we had warnings and didn't prepare for a terror attack of that nature, just as the people of the gulf underestimated or didn't adequately prepare for katrina.
my point is the people who were most affected by this were not people who chose to "ride it out", they were the people who couldn't get out. even if they chose to risk it and stay there's nothing you can say that would make me agree that the people of the gulf deserved the disaster, looting, violence, rape, and death caused by katrina.
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Who votes this is mother natures way of kicking us in our nuts and say "wake up retards, your killing me" 
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Originally posted by BP:
Originally posted by Kane:
BUT... Lets say there was a warning about a week prior to the planes hitting. Everyone that had the ability to leave the place because they thought they could "ride it out" sure in the hell deserved it.
first you say no one deserved it and then you say they did deserve it. qualifying your second statement doesn't exclude the first. which one is it?
Originally posted by Kane:
BUT because there was no warning about 9/11, it makes this a totally different scenario, and the NYC mayor (and all the other city workers) actually could handle a disater. New Orleans didn't have a plan, had warnings, and after the disater couldn't make their own plans to handle it.
my point is the people who were most affected by this were not people who chose to "ride it out", they were the people who couldn't get out. even if they chose to risk it and stay there's nothing you can say that would make me agree that the people of the gulf deserved the disaster, looting, violence, rape, and death caused by katrina.
exactly. Its like saying "fock the kid who fell in the well, he shouldnt have been playing around it in the first place". but oh well, he fell in now we have to help him. It doesnt really matter why these people are in NO, but they are, and they are our fellow americans and they need help
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